A WA parliamentary question probes the circumstances surrounding a $15,000 payout to Tirzah Bell, a former staffer, after a brief stint in the Minister for Water's office. The Premier provides a partial answer, deferring to the Department of Premier and Cabinet or the Public Sector Commission for specific details.

AnsweredQoN 69Legislative Assembly
Asked
11 March 2010
Portfolio
Premier

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TIRZAH BELL — GOVERNMENT EMPLOYMENT
Before I ask the question, I would like to acknowledge the presence in the public gallery of students from Illawarra Primary School. I refer to Ms Tirzah Bell, who was employed as a level 5 staffer by the Premier’s factional enemy, Dan Barron-Sullivan, during the current government’s time in opposition, and was, during this time, allegedly banned from meetings in the Premier’s office when he was opposition leader. I note that she was recently awarded a $15 000 payout after working in the office of the Minister for Water for just two weeks. (1) Who determined that Ms Bell’s services were no longer required and on what basis was her employment terminated? (2) Was the Premier consulted about this decision? (3) Was the Treasurer consulted about this decision and did he approve the payment? (4) What formula was used in negotiations with Ms Bell to arrive at the figure of a $15 000 payout, which is about $13 000 more than she was entitled to? Mr C.J. BARNETT

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Before I answer that question, I wish the Perth Wildcats every success against the Wollongong Hawks this Friday. After some of the problems in the National Basketball League, it would be fantastic to see the Wildcats have a victory. Mr E.S. Ripper : The Premier might be interested to know that at last night’s football function, an assessment was given of his football ability. I will relay that to him afterwards. Mr C.J. BARNETT : If it came from the Minister for Sport and Recreation, then I have a point of order to raise because I can tell members about his football career! Mr T.K. Waldron : It came from one of the new inductees; it was very — Mr C.J. BARNETT : Not complimentary—all right! (1)–(4) Tirzah Bell worked in the opposition office between 2001 and 2005—through that period—and then subsequently. I do not know the precise details off the top of my head, and I am happy to provide them if the member wants. She began work and had worked in the lead-up to and through that sort of transition period. As I understand it, she had worked for a period then in the Minister for Mental Health’s office. That appointment did not proceed, she left, and it was determined that although she had not been properly appointed, she had nevertheless been taking on duties both before and during the transition period, the caretaker period, and then into government. It was assessed that she deserved to be paid for that period even though the formal appointment of her was not made according to Hoyle, if we like, and therefore it was independently assessed as to what would be a proper payment. I did not play any role in that; that was done independently. If the Leader of the Opposition wants some further details — Mr E.S. Ripper : Who made the decision? Mr C.J. BARNETT : I would think that was done either through the Department of the Premier and Cabinet or the Public Sector Commission at that stage; bear in mind that those changes were also happening at that time. I was aware that she was leaving; I was not consulted nor did I play any role in the amount of payment that she received. However, if the Leader of the Opposition wants the details, I am happy to provide them to him.
I refer to Ms Tirzah Bell, who was employed as a level 5 staffer by the Premier’s factional enemy, Dan Barron-Sullivan, during the current government’s time in opposition, and was, during this time, allegedly banned from meetings in the Premier’s office when he was opposition leader. I note that she was recently awarded a $15 000 payout after working in the office of the Minister for Water for just two weeks. (1) Who determined that Ms Bell’s services were no longer required and on what basis was her employment terminated? (2) Was the Premier consulted about this decision? (3) Was the Treasurer consulted about this decision and did he approve the payment? (4) What formula was used in negotiations with Ms Bell to arrive at the figure of a $15 000 payout, which is about $13 000 more than she was entitled to? Mr C.J. BARNETT replied: Before I answer that question, I wish the Perth Wildcats every success against the Wollongong Hawks this Friday. After some of the problems in the National Basketball League, it would be fantastic to see the Wildcats have a victory. Mr E.S. Ripper : The Premier might be interested to know that at last night’s football function, an assessment was given of his football ability. I will relay that to him afterwards. Mr C.J. BARNETT : If it came from the Minister for Sport and Recreation, then I have a point of order to raise because I can tell members about his football career! Mr T.K. Waldron : It came from one of the new inductees; it was very — Mr C.J. BARNETT : Not complimentary—all right! (1)–(4) Tirzah Bell worked in the opposition office between 2001 and 2005—through that period—and then subsequently. I do not know the precise details off the top of my head, and I am happy to provide them if the member wants. She began work and had worked in the lead-up to and through that sort of transition period. As I understand it, she had worked for a period then in the Minister for Mental Health’s office. That appointment did not proceed, she left, and it was determined that although she had not been properly appointed, she had nevertheless been taking on duties both before and during the transition period, the caretaker period, and then into government. It was assessed that she deserved to be paid for that period even though the formal appointment of her was not made according to Hoyle, if we like, and therefore it was independently assessed as to what would be a proper payment. I did not play any role in that; that was done independently. If the Leader of the Opposition wants some further details — Mr E.S. Ripper : Who made the decision? Mr C.J. BARNETT : I would think that was done either through the Department of the Premier and Cabinet or the Public Sector Commission at that stage; bear in mind that those changes were also happening at that time. I was aware that she was leaving; I was not consulted nor did I play any role in the amount of payment that she received. However, if the Leader of the Opposition wants the details, I am happy to provide them to him.
(1) Who determined that Ms Bell’s services were no longer required and on what basis was her employment terminated? (2) Was the Premier consulted about this decision? (3) Was the Treasurer consulted about this decision and did he approve the payment? (4) What formula was used in negotiations with Ms Bell to arrive at the figure of a $15 000 payout, which is about $13 000 more than she was entitled to? Mr C.J. BARNETT replied: Before I answer that question, I wish the Perth Wildcats every success against the Wollongong Hawks this Friday. After some of the problems in the National Basketball League, it would be fantastic to see the Wildcats have a victory. Mr E.S. Ripper : The Premier might be interested to know that at last night’s football function, an assessment was given of his football ability. I will relay that to him afterwards. Mr C.J. BARNETT : If it came from the Minister for Sport and Recreation, then I have a point of order to raise because I can tell members about his football career! Mr T.K. Waldron : It came from one of the new inductees; it was very — Mr C.J. BARNETT : Not complimentary—all right! (1)–(4) Tirzah Bell worked in the opposition office between 2001 and 2005—through that period—and then subsequently. I do not know the precise details off the top of my head, and I am happy to provide them if the member wants. She began work and had worked in the lead-up to and through that sort of transition period. As I understand it, she had worked for a period then in the Minister for Mental Health’s office. That appointment did not proceed, she left, and it was determined that although she had not been properly appointed, she had nevertheless been taking on duties both before and during the transition period, the caretaker period, and then into government. It was assessed that she deserved to be paid for that period even though the formal appointment of her was not made according to Hoyle, if we like, and therefore it was independently assessed as to what would be a proper payment. I did not play any role in that; that was done independently. If the Leader of the Opposition wants some further details — Mr E.S. Ripper : Who made the decision? Mr C.J. BARNETT : I would think that was done either through the Department of the Premier and Cabinet or the Public Sector Commission at that stage; bear in mind that those changes were also happening at that time. I was aware that she was leaving; I was not consulted nor did I play any role in the amount of payment that she received. However, if the Leader of the Opposition wants the details, I am happy to provide them to him.
(2) Was the Premier consulted about this decision? (3) Was the Treasurer consulted about this decision and did he approve the payment? (4) What formula was used in negotiations with Ms Bell to arrive at the figure of a $15 000 payout, which is about $13 000 more than she was entitled to? Mr C.J. BARNETT replied: Before I answer that question, I wish the Perth Wildcats every success against the Wollongong Hawks this Friday. After some of the problems in the National Basketball League, it would be fantastic to see the Wildcats have a victory. Mr E.S. Ripper : The Premier might be interested to know that at last night’s football function, an assessment was given of his football ability. I will relay that to him afterwards. Mr C.J. BARNETT : If it came from the Minister for Sport and Recreation, then I have a point of order to raise because I can tell members about his football career! Mr T.K. Waldron : It came from one of the new inductees; it was very — Mr C.J. BARNETT : Not complimentary—all right! (1)–(4) Tirzah Bell worked in the opposition office between 2001 and 2005—through that period—and then subsequently. I do not know the precise details off the top of my head, and I am happy to provide them if the member wants. She began work and had worked in the lead-up to and through that sort of transition period. As I understand it, she had worked for a period then in the Minister for Mental Health’s office. That appointment did not proceed, she left, and it was determined that although she had not been properly appointed, she had nevertheless been taking on duties both before and during the transition period, the caretaker period, and then into government. It was assessed that she deserved to be paid for that period even though the formal appointment of her was not made according to Hoyle, if we like, and therefore it was independently assessed as to what would be a proper payment. I did not play any role in that; that was done independently. If the Leader of the Opposition wants some further details — Mr E.S. Ripper : Who made the decision? Mr C.J. BARNETT : I would think that was done either through the Department of the Premier and Cabinet or the Public Sector Commission at that stage; bear in mind that those changes were also happening at that time. I was aware that she was leaving; I was not consulted nor did I play any role in the amount of payment that she received. However, if the Leader of the Opposition wants the details, I am happy to provide them to him.
(3) Was the Treasurer consulted about this decision and did he approve the payment? (4) What formula was used in negotiations with Ms Bell to arrive at the figure of a $15 000 payout, which is about $13 000 more than she was entitled to? Mr C.J. BARNETT replied: Before I answer that question, I wish the Perth Wildcats every success against the Wollongong Hawks this Friday. After some of the problems in the National Basketball League, it would be fantastic to see the Wildcats have a victory. Mr E.S. Ripper : The Premier might be interested to know that at last night’s football function, an assessment was given of his football ability. I will relay that to him afterwards. Mr C.J. BARNETT : If it came from the Minister for Sport and Recreation, then I have a point of order to raise because I can tell members about his football career! Mr T.K. Waldron : It came from one of the new inductees; it was very — Mr C.J. BARNETT : Not complimentary—all right! (1)–(4) Tirzah Bell worked in the opposition office between 2001 and 2005—through that period—and then subsequently. I do not know the precise details off the top of my head, and I am happy to provide them if the member wants. She began work and had worked in the lead-up to and through that sort of transition period. As I understand it, she had worked for a period then in the Minister for Mental Health’s office. That appointment did not proceed, she left, and it was determined that although she had not been properly appointed, she had nevertheless been taking on duties both before and during the transition period, the caretaker period, and then into government. It was assessed that she deserved to be paid for that period even though the formal appointment of her was not made according to Hoyle, if we like, and therefore it was independently assessed as to what would be a proper payment. I did not play any role in that; that was done independently. If the Leader of the Opposition wants some further details — Mr E.S. Ripper : Who made the decision? Mr C.J. BARNETT : I would think that was done either through the Department of the Premier and Cabinet or the Public Sector Commission at that stage; bear in mind that those changes were also happening at that time. I was aware that she was leaving; I was not consulted nor did I play any role in the amount of payment that she received. However, if the Leader of the Opposition wants the details, I am happy to provide them to him.
(4) What formula was used in negotiations with Ms Bell to arrive at the figure of a $15 000 payout, which is about $13 000 more than she was entitled to? Mr C.J. BARNETT replied: Before I answer that question, I wish the Perth Wildcats every success against the Wollongong Hawks this Friday. After some of the problems in the National Basketball League, it would be fantastic to see the Wildcats have a victory. Mr E.S. Ripper : The Premier might be interested to know that at last night’s football function, an assessment was given of his football ability. I will relay that to him afterwards. Mr C.J. BARNETT : If it came from the Minister for Sport and Recreation, then I have a point of order to raise because I can tell members about his football career! Mr T.K. Waldron : It came from one of the new inductees; it was very — Mr C.J. BARNETT : Not complimentary—all right! (1)–(4) Tirzah Bell worked in the opposition office between 2001 and 2005—through that period—and then subsequently. I do not know the precise details off the top of my head, and I am happy to provide them if the member wants. She began work and had worked in the lead-up to and through that sort of transition period. As I understand it, she had worked for a period then in the Minister for Mental Health’s office. That appointment did not proceed, she left, and it was determined that although she had not been properly appointed, she had nevertheless been taking on duties both before and during the transition period, the caretaker period, and then into government. It was assessed that she deserved to be paid for that period even though the formal appointment of her was not made according to Hoyle, if we like, and therefore it was independently assessed as to what would be a proper payment. I did not play any role in that; that was done independently. If the Leader of the Opposition wants some further details — Mr E.S. Ripper : Who made the decision? Mr C.J. BARNETT : I would think that was done either through the Department of the Premier and Cabinet or the Public Sector Commission at that stage; bear in mind that those changes were also happening at that time. I was aware that she was leaving; I was not consulted nor did I play any role in the amount of payment that she received. However, if the Leader of the Opposition wants the details, I am happy to provide them to him.
Mr C.J. BARNETT replied: Before I answer that question, I wish the Perth Wildcats every success against the Wollongong Hawks this Friday. After some of the problems in the National Basketball League, it would be fantastic to see the Wildcats have a victory. Mr E.S. Ripper : The Premier might be interested to know that at last night’s football function, an assessment was given of his football ability. I will relay that to him afterwards. Mr C.J. BARNETT : If it came from the Minister for Sport and Recreation, then I have a point of order to raise because I can tell members about his football career! Mr T.K. Waldron : It came from one of the new inductees; it was very — Mr C.J. BARNETT : Not complimentary—all right! (1)–(4) Tirzah Bell worked in the opposition office between 2001 and 2005—through that period—and then subsequently. I do not know the precise details off the top of my head, and I am happy to provide them if the member wants. She began work and had worked in the lead-up to and through that sort of transition period. As I understand it, she had worked for a period then in the Minister for Mental Health’s office. That appointment did not proceed, she left, and it was determined that although she had not been properly appointed, she had nevertheless been taking on duties both before and during the transition period, the caretaker period, and then into government. It was assessed that she deserved to be paid for that period even though the formal appointment of her was not made according to Hoyle, if we like, and therefore it was independently assessed as to what would be a proper payment. I did not play any role in that; that was done independently. If the Leader of the Opposition wants some further details — Mr E.S. Ripper : Who made the decision? Mr C.J. BARNETT : I would think that was done either through the Department of the Premier and Cabinet or the Public Sector Commission at that stage; bear in mind that those changes were also happening at that time. I was aware that she was leaving; I was not consulted nor did I play any role in the amount of payment that she received. However, if the Leader of the Opposition wants the details, I am happy to provide them to him.
Before I answer that question, I wish the Perth Wildcats every success against the Wollongong Hawks this Friday. After some of the problems in the National Basketball League, it would be fantastic to see the Wildcats have a victory. Mr E.S. Ripper : The Premier might be interested to know that at last night’s football function, an assessment was given of his football ability. I will relay that to him afterwards. Mr C.J. BARNETT : If it came from the Minister for Sport and Recreation, then I have a point of order to raise because I can tell members about his football career! Mr T.K. Waldron : It came from one of the new inductees; it was very — Mr C.J. BARNETT : Not complimentary—all right! (1)–(4) Tirzah Bell worked in the opposition office between 2001 and 2005—through that period—and then subsequently. I do not know the precise details off the top of my head, and I am happy to provide them if the member wants. She began work and had worked in the lead-up to and through that sort of transition period. As I understand it, she had worked for a period then in the Minister for Mental Health’s office. That appointment did not proceed, she left, and it was determined that although she had not been properly appointed, she had nevertheless been taking on duties both before and during the transition period, the caretaker period, and then into government. It was assessed that she deserved to be paid for that period even though the formal appointment of her was not made according to Hoyle, if we like, and therefore it was independently assessed as to what would be a proper payment. I did not play any role in that; that was done independently. If the Leader of the Opposition wants some further details — Mr E.S. Ripper : Who made the decision? Mr C.J. BARNETT : I would think that was done either through the Department of the Premier and Cabinet or the Public Sector Commission at that stage; bear in mind that those changes were also happening at that time. I was aware that she was leaving; I was not consulted nor did I play any role in the amount of payment that she received. However, if the Leader of the Opposition wants the details, I am happy to provide them to him.
Mr E.S. Ripper : The Premier might be interested to know that at last night’s football function, an assessment was given of his football ability. I will relay that to him afterwards. Mr C.J. BARNETT : If it came from the Minister for Sport and Recreation, then I have a point of order to raise because I can tell members about his football career! Mr T.K. Waldron : It came from one of the new inductees; it was very — Mr C.J. BARNETT : Not complimentary—all right! (1)–(4) Tirzah Bell worked in the opposition office between 2001 and 2005—through that period—and then subsequently. I do not know the precise details off the top of my head, and I am happy to provide them if the member wants. She began work and had worked in the lead-up to and through that sort of transition period. As I understand it, she had worked for a period then in the Minister for Mental Health’s office. That appointment did not proceed, she left, and it was determined that although she had not been properly appointed, she had nevertheless been taking on duties both before and during the transition period, the caretaker period, and then into government. It was assessed that she deserved to be paid for that period even though the formal appointment of her was not made according to Hoyle, if we like, and therefore it was independently assessed as to what would be a proper payment. I did not play any role in that; that was done independently. If the Leader of the Opposition wants some further details — Mr E.S. Ripper : Who made the decision? Mr C.J. BARNETT : I would think that was done either through the Department of the Premier and Cabinet or the Public Sector Commission at that stage; bear in mind that those changes were also happening at that time. I was aware that she was leaving; I was not consulted nor did I play any role in the amount of payment that she received. However, if the Leader of the Opposition wants the details, I am happy to provide them to him.
Mr C.J. BARNETT : If it came from the Minister for Sport and Recreation, then I have a point of order to raise because I can tell members about his football career! Mr T.K. Waldron : It came from one of the new inductees; it was very — Mr C.J. BARNETT : Not complimentary—all right! (1)–(4) Tirzah Bell worked in the opposition office between 2001 and 2005—through that period—and then subsequently. I do not know the precise details off the top of my head, and I am happy to provide them if the member wants. She began work and had worked in the lead-up to and through that sort of transition period. As I understand it, she had worked for a period then in the Minister for Mental Health’s office. That appointment did not proceed, she left, and it was determined that although she had not been properly appointed, she had nevertheless been taking on duties both before and during the transition period, the caretaker period, and then into government. It was assessed that she deserved to be paid for that period even though the formal appointment of her was not made according to Hoyle, if we like, and therefore it was independently assessed as to what would be a proper payment. I did not play any role in that; that was done independently. If the Leader of the Opposition wants some further details — Mr E.S. Ripper : Who made the decision? Mr C.J. BARNETT : I would think that was done either through the Department of the Premier and Cabinet or the Public Sector Commission at that stage; bear in mind that those changes were also happening at that time. I was aware that she was leaving; I was not consulted nor did I play any role in the amount of payment that she received. However, if the Leader of the Opposition wants the details, I am happy to provide them to him.
Mr T.K. Waldron : It came from one of the new inductees; it was very — Mr C.J. BARNETT : Not complimentary—all right! (1)–(4) Tirzah Bell worked in the opposition office between 2001 and 2005—through that period—and then subsequently. I do not know the precise details off the top of my head, and I am happy to provide them if the member wants. She began work and had worked in the lead-up to and through that sort of transition period. As I understand it, she had worked for a period then in the Minister for Mental Health’s office. That appointment did not proceed, she left, and it was determined that although she had not been properly appointed, she had nevertheless been taking on duties both before and during the transition period, the caretaker period, and then into government. It was assessed that she deserved to be paid for that period even though the formal appointment of her was not made according to Hoyle, if we like, and therefore it was independently assessed as to what would be a proper payment. I did not play any role in that; that was done independently. If the Leader of the Opposition wants some further details — Mr E.S. Ripper : Who made the decision? Mr C.J. BARNETT : I would think that was done either through the Department of the Premier and Cabinet or the Public Sector Commission at that stage; bear in mind that those changes were also happening at that time. I was aware that she was leaving; I was not consulted nor did I play any role in the amount of payment that she received. However, if the Leader of the Opposition wants the details, I am happy to provide them to him.
Mr C.J. BARNETT : Not complimentary—all right! (1)–(4) Tirzah Bell worked in the opposition office between 2001 and 2005—through that period—and then subsequently. I do not know the precise details off the top of my head, and I am happy to provide them if the member wants. She began work and had worked in the lead-up to and through that sort of transition period. As I understand it, she had worked for a period then in the Minister for Mental Health’s office. That appointment did not proceed, she left, and it was determined that although she had not been properly appointed, she had nevertheless been taking on duties both before and during the transition period, the caretaker period, and then into government. It was assessed that she deserved to be paid for that period even though the formal appointment of her was not made according to Hoyle, if we like, and therefore it was independently assessed as to what would be a proper payment. I did not play any role in that; that was done independently. If the Leader of the Opposition wants some further details — Mr E.S. Ripper : Who made the decision? Mr C.J. BARNETT : I would think that was done either through the Department of the Premier and Cabinet or the Public Sector Commission at that stage; bear in mind that those changes were also happening at that time. I was aware that she was leaving; I was not consulted nor did I play any role in the amount of payment that she received. However, if the Leader of the Opposition wants the details, I am happy to provide them to him.
(1)–(4) Tirzah Bell worked in the opposition office between 2001 and 2005—through that period—and then subsequently. I do not know the precise details off the top of my head, and I am happy to provide them if the member wants. She began work and had worked in the lead-up to and through that sort of transition period. As I understand it, she had worked for a period then in the Minister for Mental Health’s office. That appointment did not proceed, she left, and it was determined that although she had not been properly appointed, she had nevertheless been taking on duties both before and during the transition period, the caretaker period, and then into government. It was assessed that she deserved to be paid for that period even though the formal appointment of her was not made according to Hoyle, if we like, and therefore it was independently assessed as to what would be a proper payment. I did not play any role in that; that was done independently. If the Leader of the Opposition wants some further details — Mr E.S. Ripper : Who made the decision? Mr C.J. BARNETT : I would think that was done either through the Department of the Premier and Cabinet or the Public Sector Commission at that stage; bear in mind that those changes were also happening at that time. I was aware that she was leaving; I was not consulted nor did I play any role in the amount of payment that she received. However, if the Leader of the Opposition wants the details, I am happy to provide them to him.
Mr E.S. Ripper : Who made the decision? Mr C.J. BARNETT : I would think that was done either through the Department of the Premier and Cabinet or the Public Sector Commission at that stage; bear in mind that those changes were also happening at that time. I was aware that she was leaving; I was not consulted nor did I play any role in the amount of payment that she received. However, if the Leader of the Opposition wants the details, I am happy to provide them to him.
Mr C.J. BARNETT : I would think that was done either through the Department of the Premier and Cabinet or the Public Sector Commission at that stage; bear in mind that those changes were also happening at that time. I was aware that she was leaving; I was not consulted nor did I play any role in the amount of payment that she received. However, if the Leader of the Opposition wants the details, I am happy to provide them to him.

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