❓ Hon Ravlich questions Hon Collier about delays in Productivity Places Program funding for RTOs, leading to staff redundancies. Hon Collier denies awareness of the multiple release dates and accuses Ravlich of political grandstanding, asserting the program's success and offering to assist RTOs with contract issues.
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PRODUCTIVITY PLACES PROGRAM — FUNDING
I refer to the productivity places program. (1) Is the minister aware that registered training organisations have been advised on three separate occasions of different release dates for calls for funding? (2) Is the minister also aware that many registered training organisations that expected that calls for funding would occur in March, as has occurred in previous years, continue to pay their trainers instead of making alternative plans because of the advice given to them? (3) As some registered training organisations have had to make staff redundant because of the delays in funding, will the minister immediately inform RTOs of their funding allocations; and, if not, why not? Hon PETER COLLIER
I refer to the productivity places program. (1) Is the minister aware that registered training organisations have been advised on three separate occasions of different release dates for calls for funding? (2) Is the minister also aware that many registered training organisations that expected that calls for funding would occur in March, as has occurred in previous years, continue to pay their trainers instead of making alternative plans because of the advice given to them? (3) As some registered training organisations have had to make staff redundant because of the delays in funding, will the minister immediately inform RTOs of their funding allocations; and, if not, why not? Hon PETER COLLIER
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I thank the honourable member for some notice of the question. (1)–(3) I am not aware that there are three different dates for the calls for funding. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I am because you gave those separate dates in this house—but keep going. Hon PETER COLLIER : No, I did not give separate dates. The honourable member has raised on a number of occasions the issue that somehow the productivity places program was stopped. It was not stopped and I emphasised that again last Wednesday. I said last Wednesday in response to a question that if there were any contracts, those contracts would be borne out. Interestingly, I suggested to the honourable member—I do so again—that if any private RTOs feel that that runs contrary to the advice — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I’ll give you a whole lot of them; don’t worry about that. Hon PETER COLLIER : Good. Rather than the member making these imputations and insinuations, I highly recommend that she do something productive and constructive and work with the department to try to overcome the issues. I am not aware of the three different dates that she has referred to. I said that calls for funding are going out at the moment. I have said that quite consistently. Interestingly, I said to the honourable member last Wednesday that if she has any issues or she knows of private RTOs that have a grievance or do not agree with that, I would be happy to assist those RTOs. On Thursday the member sent an email to all private RTOs, no doubt in response to my question, under the name of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, MLC, member for East Metropolitan Region. It states — Dear Registered Training Organisation Below is a copy of a question I asked in Parliament recently on funding for the above program. If your RTO is experiencing difficulties because you haven’t received the funding you expected, please let me know. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : And they did! Hon PETER COLLIER : The horse has actually bolted. Why on earth did the member send this out after the event? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You still haven’t fixed them. There are plenty of them; it’s not just one! Hon PETER COLLIER : It is like listening to a cracked record. We go over it again and again. She gets caught out every time. I said at the time that if there were particular instances whereby an RTO — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You said that there was one. Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
(1) Is the minister aware that registered training organisations have been advised on three separate occasions of different release dates for calls for funding? (2) Is the minister also aware that many registered training organisations that expected that calls for funding would occur in March, as has occurred in previous years, continue to pay their trainers instead of making alternative plans because of the advice given to them? (3) As some registered training organisations have had to make staff redundant because of the delays in funding, will the minister immediately inform RTOs of their funding allocations; and, if not, why not? Hon PETER COLLIER replied: I thank the honourable member for some notice of the question. (1)–(3) I am not aware that there are three different dates for the calls for funding. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I am because you gave those separate dates in this house—but keep going. Hon PETER COLLIER : No, I did not give separate dates. The honourable member has raised on a number of occasions the issue that somehow the productivity places program was stopped. It was not stopped and I emphasised that again last Wednesday. I said last Wednesday in response to a question that if there were any contracts, those contracts would be borne out. Interestingly, I suggested to the honourable member—I do so again—that if any private RTOs feel that that runs contrary to the advice — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I’ll give you a whole lot of them; don’t worry about that. Hon PETER COLLIER : Good. Rather than the member making these imputations and insinuations, I highly recommend that she do something productive and constructive and work with the department to try to overcome the issues. I am not aware of the three different dates that she has referred to. I said that calls for funding are going out at the moment. I have said that quite consistently. Interestingly, I said to the honourable member last Wednesday that if she has any issues or she knows of private RTOs that have a grievance or do not agree with that, I would be happy to assist those RTOs. On Thursday the member sent an email to all private RTOs, no doubt in response to my question, under the name of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, MLC, member for East Metropolitan Region. It states — Dear Registered Training Organisation Below is a copy of a question I asked in Parliament recently on funding for the above program. If your RTO is experiencing difficulties because you haven’t received the funding you expected, please let me know. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : And they did! Hon PETER COLLIER : The horse has actually bolted. Why on earth did the member send this out after the event? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You still haven’t fixed them. There are plenty of them; it’s not just one! Hon PETER COLLIER : It is like listening to a cracked record. We go over it again and again. She gets caught out every time. I said at the time that if there were particular instances whereby an RTO — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You said that there was one. Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
(2) Is the minister also aware that many registered training organisations that expected that calls for funding would occur in March, as has occurred in previous years, continue to pay their trainers instead of making alternative plans because of the advice given to them? (3) As some registered training organisations have had to make staff redundant because of the delays in funding, will the minister immediately inform RTOs of their funding allocations; and, if not, why not? Hon PETER COLLIER replied: I thank the honourable member for some notice of the question. (1)–(3) I am not aware that there are three different dates for the calls for funding. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I am because you gave those separate dates in this house—but keep going. Hon PETER COLLIER : No, I did not give separate dates. The honourable member has raised on a number of occasions the issue that somehow the productivity places program was stopped. It was not stopped and I emphasised that again last Wednesday. I said last Wednesday in response to a question that if there were any contracts, those contracts would be borne out. Interestingly, I suggested to the honourable member—I do so again—that if any private RTOs feel that that runs contrary to the advice — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I’ll give you a whole lot of them; don’t worry about that. Hon PETER COLLIER : Good. Rather than the member making these imputations and insinuations, I highly recommend that she do something productive and constructive and work with the department to try to overcome the issues. I am not aware of the three different dates that she has referred to. I said that calls for funding are going out at the moment. I have said that quite consistently. Interestingly, I said to the honourable member last Wednesday that if she has any issues or she knows of private RTOs that have a grievance or do not agree with that, I would be happy to assist those RTOs. On Thursday the member sent an email to all private RTOs, no doubt in response to my question, under the name of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, MLC, member for East Metropolitan Region. It states — Dear Registered Training Organisation Below is a copy of a question I asked in Parliament recently on funding for the above program. If your RTO is experiencing difficulties because you haven’t received the funding you expected, please let me know. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : And they did! Hon PETER COLLIER : The horse has actually bolted. Why on earth did the member send this out after the event? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You still haven’t fixed them. There are plenty of them; it’s not just one! Hon PETER COLLIER : It is like listening to a cracked record. We go over it again and again. She gets caught out every time. I said at the time that if there were particular instances whereby an RTO — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You said that there was one. Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
(3) As some registered training organisations have had to make staff redundant because of the delays in funding, will the minister immediately inform RTOs of their funding allocations; and, if not, why not? Hon PETER COLLIER replied: I thank the honourable member for some notice of the question. (1)–(3) I am not aware that there are three different dates for the calls for funding. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I am because you gave those separate dates in this house—but keep going. Hon PETER COLLIER : No, I did not give separate dates. The honourable member has raised on a number of occasions the issue that somehow the productivity places program was stopped. It was not stopped and I emphasised that again last Wednesday. I said last Wednesday in response to a question that if there were any contracts, those contracts would be borne out. Interestingly, I suggested to the honourable member—I do so again—that if any private RTOs feel that that runs contrary to the advice — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I’ll give you a whole lot of them; don’t worry about that. Hon PETER COLLIER : Good. Rather than the member making these imputations and insinuations, I highly recommend that she do something productive and constructive and work with the department to try to overcome the issues. I am not aware of the three different dates that she has referred to. I said that calls for funding are going out at the moment. I have said that quite consistently. Interestingly, I said to the honourable member last Wednesday that if she has any issues or she knows of private RTOs that have a grievance or do not agree with that, I would be happy to assist those RTOs. On Thursday the member sent an email to all private RTOs, no doubt in response to my question, under the name of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, MLC, member for East Metropolitan Region. It states — Dear Registered Training Organisation Below is a copy of a question I asked in Parliament recently on funding for the above program. If your RTO is experiencing difficulties because you haven’t received the funding you expected, please let me know. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : And they did! Hon PETER COLLIER : The horse has actually bolted. Why on earth did the member send this out after the event? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You still haven’t fixed them. There are plenty of them; it’s not just one! Hon PETER COLLIER : It is like listening to a cracked record. We go over it again and again. She gets caught out every time. I said at the time that if there were particular instances whereby an RTO — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You said that there was one. Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon PETER COLLIER replied: I thank the honourable member for some notice of the question. (1)–(3) I am not aware that there are three different dates for the calls for funding. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I am because you gave those separate dates in this house—but keep going. Hon PETER COLLIER : No, I did not give separate dates. The honourable member has raised on a number of occasions the issue that somehow the productivity places program was stopped. It was not stopped and I emphasised that again last Wednesday. I said last Wednesday in response to a question that if there were any contracts, those contracts would be borne out. Interestingly, I suggested to the honourable member—I do so again—that if any private RTOs feel that that runs contrary to the advice — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I’ll give you a whole lot of them; don’t worry about that. Hon PETER COLLIER : Good. Rather than the member making these imputations and insinuations, I highly recommend that she do something productive and constructive and work with the department to try to overcome the issues. I am not aware of the three different dates that she has referred to. I said that calls for funding are going out at the moment. I have said that quite consistently. Interestingly, I said to the honourable member last Wednesday that if she has any issues or she knows of private RTOs that have a grievance or do not agree with that, I would be happy to assist those RTOs. On Thursday the member sent an email to all private RTOs, no doubt in response to my question, under the name of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, MLC, member for East Metropolitan Region. It states — Dear Registered Training Organisation Below is a copy of a question I asked in Parliament recently on funding for the above program. If your RTO is experiencing difficulties because you haven’t received the funding you expected, please let me know. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : And they did! Hon PETER COLLIER : The horse has actually bolted. Why on earth did the member send this out after the event? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You still haven’t fixed them. There are plenty of them; it’s not just one! Hon PETER COLLIER : It is like listening to a cracked record. We go over it again and again. She gets caught out every time. I said at the time that if there were particular instances whereby an RTO — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You said that there was one. Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
I thank the honourable member for some notice of the question. (1)–(3) I am not aware that there are three different dates for the calls for funding. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I am because you gave those separate dates in this house—but keep going. Hon PETER COLLIER : No, I did not give separate dates. The honourable member has raised on a number of occasions the issue that somehow the productivity places program was stopped. It was not stopped and I emphasised that again last Wednesday. I said last Wednesday in response to a question that if there were any contracts, those contracts would be borne out. Interestingly, I suggested to the honourable member—I do so again—that if any private RTOs feel that that runs contrary to the advice — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I’ll give you a whole lot of them; don’t worry about that. Hon PETER COLLIER : Good. Rather than the member making these imputations and insinuations, I highly recommend that she do something productive and constructive and work with the department to try to overcome the issues. I am not aware of the three different dates that she has referred to. I said that calls for funding are going out at the moment. I have said that quite consistently. Interestingly, I said to the honourable member last Wednesday that if she has any issues or she knows of private RTOs that have a grievance or do not agree with that, I would be happy to assist those RTOs. On Thursday the member sent an email to all private RTOs, no doubt in response to my question, under the name of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, MLC, member for East Metropolitan Region. It states — Dear Registered Training Organisation Below is a copy of a question I asked in Parliament recently on funding for the above program. If your RTO is experiencing difficulties because you haven’t received the funding you expected, please let me know. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : And they did! Hon PETER COLLIER : The horse has actually bolted. Why on earth did the member send this out after the event? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You still haven’t fixed them. There are plenty of them; it’s not just one! Hon PETER COLLIER : It is like listening to a cracked record. We go over it again and again. She gets caught out every time. I said at the time that if there were particular instances whereby an RTO — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You said that there was one. Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
(1)–(3) I am not aware that there are three different dates for the calls for funding. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I am because you gave those separate dates in this house—but keep going. Hon PETER COLLIER : No, I did not give separate dates. The honourable member has raised on a number of occasions the issue that somehow the productivity places program was stopped. It was not stopped and I emphasised that again last Wednesday. I said last Wednesday in response to a question that if there were any contracts, those contracts would be borne out. Interestingly, I suggested to the honourable member—I do so again—that if any private RTOs feel that that runs contrary to the advice — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I’ll give you a whole lot of them; don’t worry about that. Hon PETER COLLIER : Good. Rather than the member making these imputations and insinuations, I highly recommend that she do something productive and constructive and work with the department to try to overcome the issues. I am not aware of the three different dates that she has referred to. I said that calls for funding are going out at the moment. I have said that quite consistently. Interestingly, I said to the honourable member last Wednesday that if she has any issues or she knows of private RTOs that have a grievance or do not agree with that, I would be happy to assist those RTOs. On Thursday the member sent an email to all private RTOs, no doubt in response to my question, under the name of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, MLC, member for East Metropolitan Region. It states — Dear Registered Training Organisation Below is a copy of a question I asked in Parliament recently on funding for the above program. If your RTO is experiencing difficulties because you haven’t received the funding you expected, please let me know. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : And they did! Hon PETER COLLIER : The horse has actually bolted. Why on earth did the member send this out after the event? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You still haven’t fixed them. There are plenty of them; it’s not just one! Hon PETER COLLIER : It is like listening to a cracked record. We go over it again and again. She gets caught out every time. I said at the time that if there were particular instances whereby an RTO — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You said that there was one. Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I am because you gave those separate dates in this house—but keep going. Hon PETER COLLIER : No, I did not give separate dates. The honourable member has raised on a number of occasions the issue that somehow the productivity places program was stopped. It was not stopped and I emphasised that again last Wednesday. I said last Wednesday in response to a question that if there were any contracts, those contracts would be borne out. Interestingly, I suggested to the honourable member—I do so again—that if any private RTOs feel that that runs contrary to the advice — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I’ll give you a whole lot of them; don’t worry about that. Hon PETER COLLIER : Good. Rather than the member making these imputations and insinuations, I highly recommend that she do something productive and constructive and work with the department to try to overcome the issues. I am not aware of the three different dates that she has referred to. I said that calls for funding are going out at the moment. I have said that quite consistently. Interestingly, I said to the honourable member last Wednesday that if she has any issues or she knows of private RTOs that have a grievance or do not agree with that, I would be happy to assist those RTOs. On Thursday the member sent an email to all private RTOs, no doubt in response to my question, under the name of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, MLC, member for East Metropolitan Region. It states — Dear Registered Training Organisation Below is a copy of a question I asked in Parliament recently on funding for the above program. If your RTO is experiencing difficulties because you haven’t received the funding you expected, please let me know. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : And they did! Hon PETER COLLIER : The horse has actually bolted. Why on earth did the member send this out after the event? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You still haven’t fixed them. There are plenty of them; it’s not just one! Hon PETER COLLIER : It is like listening to a cracked record. We go over it again and again. She gets caught out every time. I said at the time that if there were particular instances whereby an RTO — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You said that there was one. Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon PETER COLLIER : No, I did not give separate dates. The honourable member has raised on a number of occasions the issue that somehow the productivity places program was stopped. It was not stopped and I emphasised that again last Wednesday. I said last Wednesday in response to a question that if there were any contracts, those contracts would be borne out. Interestingly, I suggested to the honourable member—I do so again—that if any private RTOs feel that that runs contrary to the advice — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I’ll give you a whole lot of them; don’t worry about that. Hon PETER COLLIER : Good. Rather than the member making these imputations and insinuations, I highly recommend that she do something productive and constructive and work with the department to try to overcome the issues. I am not aware of the three different dates that she has referred to. I said that calls for funding are going out at the moment. I have said that quite consistently. Interestingly, I said to the honourable member last Wednesday that if she has any issues or she knows of private RTOs that have a grievance or do not agree with that, I would be happy to assist those RTOs. On Thursday the member sent an email to all private RTOs, no doubt in response to my question, under the name of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, MLC, member for East Metropolitan Region. It states — Dear Registered Training Organisation Below is a copy of a question I asked in Parliament recently on funding for the above program. If your RTO is experiencing difficulties because you haven’t received the funding you expected, please let me know. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : And they did! Hon PETER COLLIER : The horse has actually bolted. Why on earth did the member send this out after the event? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You still haven’t fixed them. There are plenty of them; it’s not just one! Hon PETER COLLIER : It is like listening to a cracked record. We go over it again and again. She gets caught out every time. I said at the time that if there were particular instances whereby an RTO — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You said that there was one. Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I’ll give you a whole lot of them; don’t worry about that. Hon PETER COLLIER : Good. Rather than the member making these imputations and insinuations, I highly recommend that she do something productive and constructive and work with the department to try to overcome the issues. I am not aware of the three different dates that she has referred to. I said that calls for funding are going out at the moment. I have said that quite consistently. Interestingly, I said to the honourable member last Wednesday that if she has any issues or she knows of private RTOs that have a grievance or do not agree with that, I would be happy to assist those RTOs. On Thursday the member sent an email to all private RTOs, no doubt in response to my question, under the name of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, MLC, member for East Metropolitan Region. It states — Dear Registered Training Organisation Below is a copy of a question I asked in Parliament recently on funding for the above program. If your RTO is experiencing difficulties because you haven’t received the funding you expected, please let me know. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : And they did! Hon PETER COLLIER : The horse has actually bolted. Why on earth did the member send this out after the event? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You still haven’t fixed them. There are plenty of them; it’s not just one! Hon PETER COLLIER : It is like listening to a cracked record. We go over it again and again. She gets caught out every time. I said at the time that if there were particular instances whereby an RTO — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You said that there was one. Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon PETER COLLIER : Good. Rather than the member making these imputations and insinuations, I highly recommend that she do something productive and constructive and work with the department to try to overcome the issues. I am not aware of the three different dates that she has referred to. I said that calls for funding are going out at the moment. I have said that quite consistently. Interestingly, I said to the honourable member last Wednesday that if she has any issues or she knows of private RTOs that have a grievance or do not agree with that, I would be happy to assist those RTOs. On Thursday the member sent an email to all private RTOs, no doubt in response to my question, under the name of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, MLC, member for East Metropolitan Region. It states — Dear Registered Training Organisation Below is a copy of a question I asked in Parliament recently on funding for the above program. If your RTO is experiencing difficulties because you haven’t received the funding you expected, please let me know. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : And they did! Hon PETER COLLIER : The horse has actually bolted. Why on earth did the member send this out after the event? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You still haven’t fixed them. There are plenty of them; it’s not just one! Hon PETER COLLIER : It is like listening to a cracked record. We go over it again and again. She gets caught out every time. I said at the time that if there were particular instances whereby an RTO — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You said that there was one. Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Below is a copy of a question I asked in Parliament recently on funding for the above program. If your RTO is experiencing difficulties because you haven’t received the funding you expected, please let me know.
If your RTO is experiencing difficulties because you haven’t received the funding you expected, please let me know.
Hon PETER COLLIER : The horse has actually bolted. Why on earth did the member send this out after the event? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You still haven’t fixed them. There are plenty of them; it’s not just one! Hon PETER COLLIER : It is like listening to a cracked record. We go over it again and again. She gets caught out every time. I said at the time that if there were particular instances whereby an RTO — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You said that there was one. Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You still haven’t fixed them. There are plenty of them; it’s not just one! Hon PETER COLLIER : It is like listening to a cracked record. We go over it again and again. She gets caught out every time. I said at the time that if there were particular instances whereby an RTO — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You said that there was one. Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon PETER COLLIER : It is like listening to a cracked record. We go over it again and again. She gets caught out every time. I said at the time that if there were particular instances whereby an RTO — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You said that there was one. Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You said that there was one. Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
(1) Is the minister aware that registered training organisations have been advised on three separate occasions of different release dates for calls for funding? (2) Is the minister also aware that many registered training organisations that expected that calls for funding would occur in March, as has occurred in previous years, continue to pay their trainers instead of making alternative plans because of the advice given to them? (3) As some registered training organisations have had to make staff redundant because of the delays in funding, will the minister immediately inform RTOs of their funding allocations; and, if not, why not? Hon PETER COLLIER replied: I thank the honourable member for some notice of the question. (1)–(3) I am not aware that there are three different dates for the calls for funding. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I am because you gave those separate dates in this house—but keep going. Hon PETER COLLIER : No, I did not give separate dates. The honourable member has raised on a number of occasions the issue that somehow the productivity places program was stopped. It was not stopped and I emphasised that again last Wednesday. I said last Wednesday in response to a question that if there were any contracts, those contracts would be borne out. Interestingly, I suggested to the honourable member—I do so again—that if any private RTOs feel that that runs contrary to the advice — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I’ll give you a whole lot of them; don’t worry about that. Hon PETER COLLIER : Good. Rather than the member making these imputations and insinuations, I highly recommend that she do something productive and constructive and work with the department to try to overcome the issues. I am not aware of the three different dates that she has referred to. I said that calls for funding are going out at the moment. I have said that quite consistently. Interestingly, I said to the honourable member last Wednesday that if she has any issues or she knows of private RTOs that have a grievance or do not agree with that, I would be happy to assist those RTOs. On Thursday the member sent an email to all private RTOs, no doubt in response to my question, under the name of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, MLC, member for East Metropolitan Region. It states — Dear Registered Training Organisation Below is a copy of a question I asked in Parliament recently on funding for the above program. If your RTO is experiencing difficulties because you haven’t received the funding you expected, please let me know. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : And they did! Hon PETER COLLIER : The horse has actually bolted. Why on earth did the member send this out after the event? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You still haven’t fixed them. There are plenty of them; it’s not just one! Hon PETER COLLIER : It is like listening to a cracked record. We go over it again and again. She gets caught out every time. I said at the time that if there were particular instances whereby an RTO — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You said that there was one. Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
(2) Is the minister also aware that many registered training organisations that expected that calls for funding would occur in March, as has occurred in previous years, continue to pay their trainers instead of making alternative plans because of the advice given to them? (3) As some registered training organisations have had to make staff redundant because of the delays in funding, will the minister immediately inform RTOs of their funding allocations; and, if not, why not? Hon PETER COLLIER replied: I thank the honourable member for some notice of the question. (1)–(3) I am not aware that there are three different dates for the calls for funding. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I am because you gave those separate dates in this house—but keep going. Hon PETER COLLIER : No, I did not give separate dates. The honourable member has raised on a number of occasions the issue that somehow the productivity places program was stopped. It was not stopped and I emphasised that again last Wednesday. I said last Wednesday in response to a question that if there were any contracts, those contracts would be borne out. Interestingly, I suggested to the honourable member—I do so again—that if any private RTOs feel that that runs contrary to the advice — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I’ll give you a whole lot of them; don’t worry about that. Hon PETER COLLIER : Good. Rather than the member making these imputations and insinuations, I highly recommend that she do something productive and constructive and work with the department to try to overcome the issues. I am not aware of the three different dates that she has referred to. I said that calls for funding are going out at the moment. I have said that quite consistently. Interestingly, I said to the honourable member last Wednesday that if she has any issues or she knows of private RTOs that have a grievance or do not agree with that, I would be happy to assist those RTOs. On Thursday the member sent an email to all private RTOs, no doubt in response to my question, under the name of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, MLC, member for East Metropolitan Region. It states — Dear Registered Training Organisation Below is a copy of a question I asked in Parliament recently on funding for the above program. If your RTO is experiencing difficulties because you haven’t received the funding you expected, please let me know. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : And they did! Hon PETER COLLIER : The horse has actually bolted. Why on earth did the member send this out after the event? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You still haven’t fixed them. There are plenty of them; it’s not just one! Hon PETER COLLIER : It is like listening to a cracked record. We go over it again and again. She gets caught out every time. I said at the time that if there were particular instances whereby an RTO — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You said that there was one. Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
(3) As some registered training organisations have had to make staff redundant because of the delays in funding, will the minister immediately inform RTOs of their funding allocations; and, if not, why not? Hon PETER COLLIER replied: I thank the honourable member for some notice of the question. (1)–(3) I am not aware that there are three different dates for the calls for funding. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I am because you gave those separate dates in this house—but keep going. Hon PETER COLLIER : No, I did not give separate dates. The honourable member has raised on a number of occasions the issue that somehow the productivity places program was stopped. It was not stopped and I emphasised that again last Wednesday. I said last Wednesday in response to a question that if there were any contracts, those contracts would be borne out. Interestingly, I suggested to the honourable member—I do so again—that if any private RTOs feel that that runs contrary to the advice — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I’ll give you a whole lot of them; don’t worry about that. Hon PETER COLLIER : Good. Rather than the member making these imputations and insinuations, I highly recommend that she do something productive and constructive and work with the department to try to overcome the issues. I am not aware of the three different dates that she has referred to. I said that calls for funding are going out at the moment. I have said that quite consistently. Interestingly, I said to the honourable member last Wednesday that if she has any issues or she knows of private RTOs that have a grievance or do not agree with that, I would be happy to assist those RTOs. On Thursday the member sent an email to all private RTOs, no doubt in response to my question, under the name of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, MLC, member for East Metropolitan Region. It states — Dear Registered Training Organisation Below is a copy of a question I asked in Parliament recently on funding for the above program. If your RTO is experiencing difficulties because you haven’t received the funding you expected, please let me know. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : And they did! Hon PETER COLLIER : The horse has actually bolted. Why on earth did the member send this out after the event? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You still haven’t fixed them. There are plenty of them; it’s not just one! Hon PETER COLLIER : It is like listening to a cracked record. We go over it again and again. She gets caught out every time. I said at the time that if there were particular instances whereby an RTO — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You said that there was one. Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon PETER COLLIER replied: I thank the honourable member for some notice of the question. (1)–(3) I am not aware that there are three different dates for the calls for funding. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I am because you gave those separate dates in this house—but keep going. Hon PETER COLLIER : No, I did not give separate dates. The honourable member has raised on a number of occasions the issue that somehow the productivity places program was stopped. It was not stopped and I emphasised that again last Wednesday. I said last Wednesday in response to a question that if there were any contracts, those contracts would be borne out. Interestingly, I suggested to the honourable member—I do so again—that if any private RTOs feel that that runs contrary to the advice — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I’ll give you a whole lot of them; don’t worry about that. Hon PETER COLLIER : Good. Rather than the member making these imputations and insinuations, I highly recommend that she do something productive and constructive and work with the department to try to overcome the issues. I am not aware of the three different dates that she has referred to. I said that calls for funding are going out at the moment. I have said that quite consistently. Interestingly, I said to the honourable member last Wednesday that if she has any issues or she knows of private RTOs that have a grievance or do not agree with that, I would be happy to assist those RTOs. On Thursday the member sent an email to all private RTOs, no doubt in response to my question, under the name of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, MLC, member for East Metropolitan Region. It states — Dear Registered Training Organisation Below is a copy of a question I asked in Parliament recently on funding for the above program. If your RTO is experiencing difficulties because you haven’t received the funding you expected, please let me know. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : And they did! Hon PETER COLLIER : The horse has actually bolted. Why on earth did the member send this out after the event? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You still haven’t fixed them. There are plenty of them; it’s not just one! Hon PETER COLLIER : It is like listening to a cracked record. We go over it again and again. She gets caught out every time. I said at the time that if there were particular instances whereby an RTO — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You said that there was one. Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
I thank the honourable member for some notice of the question. (1)–(3) I am not aware that there are three different dates for the calls for funding. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I am because you gave those separate dates in this house—but keep going. Hon PETER COLLIER : No, I did not give separate dates. The honourable member has raised on a number of occasions the issue that somehow the productivity places program was stopped. It was not stopped and I emphasised that again last Wednesday. I said last Wednesday in response to a question that if there were any contracts, those contracts would be borne out. Interestingly, I suggested to the honourable member—I do so again—that if any private RTOs feel that that runs contrary to the advice — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I’ll give you a whole lot of them; don’t worry about that. Hon PETER COLLIER : Good. Rather than the member making these imputations and insinuations, I highly recommend that she do something productive and constructive and work with the department to try to overcome the issues. I am not aware of the three different dates that she has referred to. I said that calls for funding are going out at the moment. I have said that quite consistently. Interestingly, I said to the honourable member last Wednesday that if she has any issues or she knows of private RTOs that have a grievance or do not agree with that, I would be happy to assist those RTOs. On Thursday the member sent an email to all private RTOs, no doubt in response to my question, under the name of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, MLC, member for East Metropolitan Region. It states — Dear Registered Training Organisation Below is a copy of a question I asked in Parliament recently on funding for the above program. If your RTO is experiencing difficulties because you haven’t received the funding you expected, please let me know. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : And they did! Hon PETER COLLIER : The horse has actually bolted. Why on earth did the member send this out after the event? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You still haven’t fixed them. There are plenty of them; it’s not just one! Hon PETER COLLIER : It is like listening to a cracked record. We go over it again and again. She gets caught out every time. I said at the time that if there were particular instances whereby an RTO — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You said that there was one. Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
(1)–(3) I am not aware that there are three different dates for the calls for funding. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I am because you gave those separate dates in this house—but keep going. Hon PETER COLLIER : No, I did not give separate dates. The honourable member has raised on a number of occasions the issue that somehow the productivity places program was stopped. It was not stopped and I emphasised that again last Wednesday. I said last Wednesday in response to a question that if there were any contracts, those contracts would be borne out. Interestingly, I suggested to the honourable member—I do so again—that if any private RTOs feel that that runs contrary to the advice — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I’ll give you a whole lot of them; don’t worry about that. Hon PETER COLLIER : Good. Rather than the member making these imputations and insinuations, I highly recommend that she do something productive and constructive and work with the department to try to overcome the issues. I am not aware of the three different dates that she has referred to. I said that calls for funding are going out at the moment. I have said that quite consistently. Interestingly, I said to the honourable member last Wednesday that if she has any issues or she knows of private RTOs that have a grievance or do not agree with that, I would be happy to assist those RTOs. On Thursday the member sent an email to all private RTOs, no doubt in response to my question, under the name of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, MLC, member for East Metropolitan Region. It states — Dear Registered Training Organisation Below is a copy of a question I asked in Parliament recently on funding for the above program. If your RTO is experiencing difficulties because you haven’t received the funding you expected, please let me know. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : And they did! Hon PETER COLLIER : The horse has actually bolted. Why on earth did the member send this out after the event? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You still haven’t fixed them. There are plenty of them; it’s not just one! Hon PETER COLLIER : It is like listening to a cracked record. We go over it again and again. She gets caught out every time. I said at the time that if there were particular instances whereby an RTO — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You said that there was one. Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I am because you gave those separate dates in this house—but keep going. Hon PETER COLLIER : No, I did not give separate dates. The honourable member has raised on a number of occasions the issue that somehow the productivity places program was stopped. It was not stopped and I emphasised that again last Wednesday. I said last Wednesday in response to a question that if there were any contracts, those contracts would be borne out. Interestingly, I suggested to the honourable member—I do so again—that if any private RTOs feel that that runs contrary to the advice — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I’ll give you a whole lot of them; don’t worry about that. Hon PETER COLLIER : Good. Rather than the member making these imputations and insinuations, I highly recommend that she do something productive and constructive and work with the department to try to overcome the issues. I am not aware of the three different dates that she has referred to. I said that calls for funding are going out at the moment. I have said that quite consistently. Interestingly, I said to the honourable member last Wednesday that if she has any issues or she knows of private RTOs that have a grievance or do not agree with that, I would be happy to assist those RTOs. On Thursday the member sent an email to all private RTOs, no doubt in response to my question, under the name of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, MLC, member for East Metropolitan Region. It states — Dear Registered Training Organisation Below is a copy of a question I asked in Parliament recently on funding for the above program. If your RTO is experiencing difficulties because you haven’t received the funding you expected, please let me know. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : And they did! Hon PETER COLLIER : The horse has actually bolted. Why on earth did the member send this out after the event? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You still haven’t fixed them. There are plenty of them; it’s not just one! Hon PETER COLLIER : It is like listening to a cracked record. We go over it again and again. She gets caught out every time. I said at the time that if there were particular instances whereby an RTO — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You said that there was one. Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon PETER COLLIER : No, I did not give separate dates. The honourable member has raised on a number of occasions the issue that somehow the productivity places program was stopped. It was not stopped and I emphasised that again last Wednesday. I said last Wednesday in response to a question that if there were any contracts, those contracts would be borne out. Interestingly, I suggested to the honourable member—I do so again—that if any private RTOs feel that that runs contrary to the advice — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I’ll give you a whole lot of them; don’t worry about that. Hon PETER COLLIER : Good. Rather than the member making these imputations and insinuations, I highly recommend that she do something productive and constructive and work with the department to try to overcome the issues. I am not aware of the three different dates that she has referred to. I said that calls for funding are going out at the moment. I have said that quite consistently. Interestingly, I said to the honourable member last Wednesday that if she has any issues or she knows of private RTOs that have a grievance or do not agree with that, I would be happy to assist those RTOs. On Thursday the member sent an email to all private RTOs, no doubt in response to my question, under the name of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, MLC, member for East Metropolitan Region. It states — Dear Registered Training Organisation Below is a copy of a question I asked in Parliament recently on funding for the above program. If your RTO is experiencing difficulties because you haven’t received the funding you expected, please let me know. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : And they did! Hon PETER COLLIER : The horse has actually bolted. Why on earth did the member send this out after the event? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You still haven’t fixed them. There are plenty of them; it’s not just one! Hon PETER COLLIER : It is like listening to a cracked record. We go over it again and again. She gets caught out every time. I said at the time that if there were particular instances whereby an RTO — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You said that there was one. Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : I’ll give you a whole lot of them; don’t worry about that. Hon PETER COLLIER : Good. Rather than the member making these imputations and insinuations, I highly recommend that she do something productive and constructive and work with the department to try to overcome the issues. I am not aware of the three different dates that she has referred to. I said that calls for funding are going out at the moment. I have said that quite consistently. Interestingly, I said to the honourable member last Wednesday that if she has any issues or she knows of private RTOs that have a grievance or do not agree with that, I would be happy to assist those RTOs. On Thursday the member sent an email to all private RTOs, no doubt in response to my question, under the name of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, MLC, member for East Metropolitan Region. It states — Dear Registered Training Organisation Below is a copy of a question I asked in Parliament recently on funding for the above program. If your RTO is experiencing difficulties because you haven’t received the funding you expected, please let me know. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : And they did! Hon PETER COLLIER : The horse has actually bolted. Why on earth did the member send this out after the event? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You still haven’t fixed them. There are plenty of them; it’s not just one! Hon PETER COLLIER : It is like listening to a cracked record. We go over it again and again. She gets caught out every time. I said at the time that if there were particular instances whereby an RTO — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You said that there was one. Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon PETER COLLIER : Good. Rather than the member making these imputations and insinuations, I highly recommend that she do something productive and constructive and work with the department to try to overcome the issues. I am not aware of the three different dates that she has referred to. I said that calls for funding are going out at the moment. I have said that quite consistently. Interestingly, I said to the honourable member last Wednesday that if she has any issues or she knows of private RTOs that have a grievance or do not agree with that, I would be happy to assist those RTOs. On Thursday the member sent an email to all private RTOs, no doubt in response to my question, under the name of Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, MLC, member for East Metropolitan Region. It states — Dear Registered Training Organisation Below is a copy of a question I asked in Parliament recently on funding for the above program. If your RTO is experiencing difficulties because you haven’t received the funding you expected, please let me know. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : And they did! Hon PETER COLLIER : The horse has actually bolted. Why on earth did the member send this out after the event? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You still haven’t fixed them. There are plenty of them; it’s not just one! Hon PETER COLLIER : It is like listening to a cracked record. We go over it again and again. She gets caught out every time. I said at the time that if there were particular instances whereby an RTO — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You said that there was one. Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Below is a copy of a question I asked in Parliament recently on funding for the above program. If your RTO is experiencing difficulties because you haven’t received the funding you expected, please let me know.
If your RTO is experiencing difficulties because you haven’t received the funding you expected, please let me know.
Hon PETER COLLIER : The horse has actually bolted. Why on earth did the member send this out after the event? Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You still haven’t fixed them. There are plenty of them; it’s not just one! Hon PETER COLLIER : It is like listening to a cracked record. We go over it again and again. She gets caught out every time. I said at the time that if there were particular instances whereby an RTO — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You said that there was one. Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You still haven’t fixed them. There are plenty of them; it’s not just one! Hon PETER COLLIER : It is like listening to a cracked record. We go over it again and again. She gets caught out every time. I said at the time that if there were particular instances whereby an RTO — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You said that there was one. Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon PETER COLLIER : It is like listening to a cracked record. We go over it again and again. She gets caught out every time. I said at the time that if there were particular instances whereby an RTO — Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You said that there was one. Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : You said that there was one. Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon PETER COLLIER : If the member does not mind! I said that if there were particular instances whereby a private RTO has an issue that runs contrary to what I have stated and contrary to the assertions made by the honourable member, I would be delighted to assist that RTO. There is nothing clandestine about it. All I am saying is “if it runs contrary to what I have said”. These RTOs would have contracts in place. If they have contracts, that funding will remain for the contract. If the honourable member knows of an instance whereby funding has stopped in the middle of a contract, I would like to hear about it. Does she have evidence of that? I presume that her silence means no. She does not have evidence of that. I can only assume that the contracts have been fulfilled. As I said before, we were very conscious of the fact that there has been a great increase in demand under the productivity places program because the policies that we have put in place over the past 18 months have been successful, which again is contrary to the assertions of the honourable member that it has failed and that there has been a decline in uptakes of apprentices, trainees et cetera. In fact, we have been very successful. There has been an increase in demand. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : No-one thinks you’re successful. They think you are an abject failure. The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
The PRESIDENT : Order! Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon PETER COLLIER : The honourable member has no credibility because she carries on the way she does. She asks a number of questions about productivity places and then after the event sends out an email to the private RTOs to ask whether they have anything that they would like to feed her or any dirt they can give her, but it is too late. The honourable member has lost it since she has been in opposition; she used to be quite reasonable. Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Yet again, we have a perfect situation where Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich has been exposed. She does not do her homework. I said this last Wednesday. We got to a situation where she was evidently working on a private RTO that had some issues. We have hundreds of private RTOs. If there are some issues with those private RTOs, it is incumbent on me as Minister for Training and Workforce Development to do something about it. It is also incumbent upon Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich, if she is going to be an effective shadow minister, to take on board those issues, identify those issues and do something about it. Rather than make all these insinuations, I suggest she writes a letter to me, which is exactly what I used to do to her when I was in opposition. Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich : Answer the question or sit down. Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon PETER COLLIER : I would write a letter and get a result. Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon Kate Doust : Just answer it. The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
The PRESIDENT : Order! The interjections have got out of control. I want members to stop interjecting. The question has been asked. Members should let the minister wind up his answer. Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon PETER COLLIER : As I was just saying to the Leader of the Opposition, I will take as long as I like if I get questions without notice, particularly questions without notice that are without substance. I can argue about this day in and day out. We will not get anywhere on this issue and we will not be able to placate the RTOs that Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich is talking about unless she actually does something constructive and takes it upon herself to say she really does want a positive outcome for this RTO. Point of Order Hon KATE DOUST : Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich asked a question of the minister. He should have answered it. All he is doing now is degenerating into personal attacks and past history. I do not believe he is responding to the question that was asked. He is deliberately wasting the time of this chamber by not answering the question. Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
Hon PETER COLLIER : The question specifically related to private RTOs. That is exactly what I am referring to. The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
The PRESIDENT : I think it is time the minister wound up his answer. It is also much more helpful to the whole chamber if there are no interjections after the question is asked, and then the minister has absolutely no excuse for drifting off the substance of the question. I believe the minister is finalising his remarks. Questions without Notice Resumed Hon PETER COLLIER : I am. I conclude by saying that in every bit of evidence that has been provided to me, all contracts have been met with regard to the productivity placements and private RTOs. All funding has been met. If there is any evidence to the contrary to that advice, I would very much like to hear about it from either Hon Ljiljanna Ravlich or the private RTOs.
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