Hon Ken Travers questions Hon Norman Moore, the Minister for Mines and Petroleum, regarding potential conflicts of interest related to his superannuation fund and adherence to the ministerial code of conduct. The Minister defends his actions by citing advice from the State Solicitor's Office.

AnsweredQoN 43Legislative Council
Asked
12 November 2008
Portfolio
Mines and Petroleum

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MINISTER FOR MINES AND PETROLEUM — CONFLICT OF INTEREST 43. Hon KEN TRAVERS to the Minister for Mines and Petroleum: (1) Is the Minister for Mines and Petroleum aware that the ministerial code of conduct states that the transfer of interests to a spouse, de facto partner or dependent family member, or to a nominee or trust, is not an acceptable form of divestment? (2) Is the Minister for Mines and Petroleum aware that the Deputy Premier has announced today that he is divesting himself of shares that create a conflict for him? (3) Will the Minister for Mines and Petroleum now ensure that the shares in which he had a beneficial interest through the N.F. and L. Moore superannuation fund are properly divested in accordance with the ministerial code of conduct? Hon NORMAN MOORE

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I thank the member for the question. (1)-(3) I have already advised the house that upon becoming a minister I sought advice on what I needed to do about the N.F. and L. Moore superannuation fund, which, as I have explained to the house before, contains the funds that my wife received when she resigned or retired from her long career in education. The advice from the State Solicitor’s Office was very simple: “You need to withdraw from that joint superannuation fund.” Hon Ken Travers : That’s not what the ministerial code of conduct says. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am telling the member what the State Solicitor’s Office advice was. Hon Ken Travers : Will you table it? The PRESIDENT : Order, members! Once again, a question was asked and an answer is being given, and we find that the member who asked the question is preventing the answer from being given. I think that is an inappropriate way to proceed. The minister. Hon NORMAN MOORE : As I said, I took advice from the State Solicitor’s Office. As the member would know, advice provided on these matters by the State Solicitor’s Office is not provided in this place, and never has been, to my knowledge. Indeed, there have been many occasions on which ministers have advised the house that advice from the State Solicitor’s Office is not made available in the house, and that is the case now. However, I am telling the member now that the State Solicitor’s Office advice to me, via the Department of the Premier and Cabinet, was that I needed to withdraw from that superannuation fund, and I have. Let me say in conclusion that it seems to me that, in the minds of some people, the glass ceiling is still in place.
MINISTER FOR MINES AND PETROLEUM — CONFLICT OF INTEREST
(1) Is the Minister for Mines and Petroleum aware that the ministerial code of conduct states that the transfer of interests to a spouse, de facto partner or dependent family member, or to a nominee or trust, is not an acceptable form of divestment? (2) Is the Minister for Mines and Petroleum aware that the Deputy Premier has announced today that he is divesting himself of shares that create a conflict for him? (3) Will the Minister for Mines and Petroleum now ensure that the shares in which he had a beneficial interest through the N.F. and L. Moore superannuation fund are properly divested in accordance with the ministerial code of conduct? Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: I thank the member for the question. (1)-(3) I have already advised the house that upon becoming a minister I sought advice on what I needed to do about the N.F. and L. Moore superannuation fund, which, as I have explained to the house before, contains the funds that my wife received when she resigned or retired from her long career in education. The advice from the State Solicitor’s Office was very simple: “You need to withdraw from that joint superannuation fund.” Hon Ken Travers : That’s not what the ministerial code of conduct says. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am telling the member what the State Solicitor’s Office advice was. Hon Ken Travers : Will you table it? The PRESIDENT : Order, members! Once again, a question was asked and an answer is being given, and we find that the member who asked the question is preventing the answer from being given. I think that is an inappropriate way to proceed. The minister. Hon NORMAN MOORE : As I said, I took advice from the State Solicitor’s Office. As the member would know, advice provided on these matters by the State Solicitor’s Office is not provided in this place, and never has been, to my knowledge. Indeed, there have been many occasions on which ministers have advised the house that advice from the State Solicitor’s Office is not made available in the house, and that is the case now. However, I am telling the member now that the State Solicitor’s Office advice to me, via the Department of the Premier and Cabinet, was that I needed to withdraw from that superannuation fund, and I have. Let me say in conclusion that it seems to me that, in the minds of some people, the glass ceiling is still in place.
(2) Is the Minister for Mines and Petroleum aware that the Deputy Premier has announced today that he is divesting himself of shares that create a conflict for him? (3) Will the Minister for Mines and Petroleum now ensure that the shares in which he had a beneficial interest through the N.F. and L. Moore superannuation fund are properly divested in accordance with the ministerial code of conduct? Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: I thank the member for the question. (1)-(3) I have already advised the house that upon becoming a minister I sought advice on what I needed to do about the N.F. and L. Moore superannuation fund, which, as I have explained to the house before, contains the funds that my wife received when she resigned or retired from her long career in education. The advice from the State Solicitor’s Office was very simple: “You need to withdraw from that joint superannuation fund.” Hon Ken Travers : That’s not what the ministerial code of conduct says. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am telling the member what the State Solicitor’s Office advice was. Hon Ken Travers : Will you table it? The PRESIDENT : Order, members! Once again, a question was asked and an answer is being given, and we find that the member who asked the question is preventing the answer from being given. I think that is an inappropriate way to proceed. The minister. Hon NORMAN MOORE : As I said, I took advice from the State Solicitor’s Office. As the member would know, advice provided on these matters by the State Solicitor’s Office is not provided in this place, and never has been, to my knowledge. Indeed, there have been many occasions on which ministers have advised the house that advice from the State Solicitor’s Office is not made available in the house, and that is the case now. However, I am telling the member now that the State Solicitor’s Office advice to me, via the Department of the Premier and Cabinet, was that I needed to withdraw from that superannuation fund, and I have. Let me say in conclusion that it seems to me that, in the minds of some people, the glass ceiling is still in place.
(3) Will the Minister for Mines and Petroleum now ensure that the shares in which he had a beneficial interest through the N.F. and L. Moore superannuation fund are properly divested in accordance with the ministerial code of conduct? Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: I thank the member for the question. (1)-(3) I have already advised the house that upon becoming a minister I sought advice on what I needed to do about the N.F. and L. Moore superannuation fund, which, as I have explained to the house before, contains the funds that my wife received when she resigned or retired from her long career in education. The advice from the State Solicitor’s Office was very simple: “You need to withdraw from that joint superannuation fund.” Hon Ken Travers : That’s not what the ministerial code of conduct says. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am telling the member what the State Solicitor’s Office advice was. Hon Ken Travers : Will you table it? The PRESIDENT : Order, members! Once again, a question was asked and an answer is being given, and we find that the member who asked the question is preventing the answer from being given. I think that is an inappropriate way to proceed. The minister. Hon NORMAN MOORE : As I said, I took advice from the State Solicitor’s Office. As the member would know, advice provided on these matters by the State Solicitor’s Office is not provided in this place, and never has been, to my knowledge. Indeed, there have been many occasions on which ministers have advised the house that advice from the State Solicitor’s Office is not made available in the house, and that is the case now. However, I am telling the member now that the State Solicitor’s Office advice to me, via the Department of the Premier and Cabinet, was that I needed to withdraw from that superannuation fund, and I have. Let me say in conclusion that it seems to me that, in the minds of some people, the glass ceiling is still in place.
Hon NORMAN MOORE replied: I thank the member for the question. (1)-(3) I have already advised the house that upon becoming a minister I sought advice on what I needed to do about the N.F. and L. Moore superannuation fund, which, as I have explained to the house before, contains the funds that my wife received when she resigned or retired from her long career in education. The advice from the State Solicitor’s Office was very simple: “You need to withdraw from that joint superannuation fund.” Hon Ken Travers : That’s not what the ministerial code of conduct says. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am telling the member what the State Solicitor’s Office advice was. Hon Ken Travers : Will you table it? The PRESIDENT : Order, members! Once again, a question was asked and an answer is being given, and we find that the member who asked the question is preventing the answer from being given. I think that is an inappropriate way to proceed. The minister. Hon NORMAN MOORE : As I said, I took advice from the State Solicitor’s Office. As the member would know, advice provided on these matters by the State Solicitor’s Office is not provided in this place, and never has been, to my knowledge. Indeed, there have been many occasions on which ministers have advised the house that advice from the State Solicitor’s Office is not made available in the house, and that is the case now. However, I am telling the member now that the State Solicitor’s Office advice to me, via the Department of the Premier and Cabinet, was that I needed to withdraw from that superannuation fund, and I have. Let me say in conclusion that it seems to me that, in the minds of some people, the glass ceiling is still in place.
I thank the member for the question. (1)-(3) I have already advised the house that upon becoming a minister I sought advice on what I needed to do about the N.F. and L. Moore superannuation fund, which, as I have explained to the house before, contains the funds that my wife received when she resigned or retired from her long career in education. The advice from the State Solicitor’s Office was very simple: “You need to withdraw from that joint superannuation fund.” Hon Ken Travers : That’s not what the ministerial code of conduct says. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am telling the member what the State Solicitor’s Office advice was. Hon Ken Travers : Will you table it? The PRESIDENT : Order, members! Once again, a question was asked and an answer is being given, and we find that the member who asked the question is preventing the answer from being given. I think that is an inappropriate way to proceed. The minister. Hon NORMAN MOORE : As I said, I took advice from the State Solicitor’s Office. As the member would know, advice provided on these matters by the State Solicitor’s Office is not provided in this place, and never has been, to my knowledge. Indeed, there have been many occasions on which ministers have advised the house that advice from the State Solicitor’s Office is not made available in the house, and that is the case now. However, I am telling the member now that the State Solicitor’s Office advice to me, via the Department of the Premier and Cabinet, was that I needed to withdraw from that superannuation fund, and I have. Let me say in conclusion that it seems to me that, in the minds of some people, the glass ceiling is still in place.
(1)-(3) I have already advised the house that upon becoming a minister I sought advice on what I needed to do about the N.F. and L. Moore superannuation fund, which, as I have explained to the house before, contains the funds that my wife received when she resigned or retired from her long career in education. The advice from the State Solicitor’s Office was very simple: “You need to withdraw from that joint superannuation fund.” Hon Ken Travers : That’s not what the ministerial code of conduct says. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am telling the member what the State Solicitor’s Office advice was. Hon Ken Travers : Will you table it? The PRESIDENT : Order, members! Once again, a question was asked and an answer is being given, and we find that the member who asked the question is preventing the answer from being given. I think that is an inappropriate way to proceed. The minister. Hon NORMAN MOORE : As I said, I took advice from the State Solicitor’s Office. As the member would know, advice provided on these matters by the State Solicitor’s Office is not provided in this place, and never has been, to my knowledge. Indeed, there have been many occasions on which ministers have advised the house that advice from the State Solicitor’s Office is not made available in the house, and that is the case now. However, I am telling the member now that the State Solicitor’s Office advice to me, via the Department of the Premier and Cabinet, was that I needed to withdraw from that superannuation fund, and I have. Let me say in conclusion that it seems to me that, in the minds of some people, the glass ceiling is still in place.
Hon Ken Travers : That’s not what the ministerial code of conduct says. Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am telling the member what the State Solicitor’s Office advice was. Hon Ken Travers : Will you table it? The PRESIDENT : Order, members! Once again, a question was asked and an answer is being given, and we find that the member who asked the question is preventing the answer from being given. I think that is an inappropriate way to proceed. The minister. Hon NORMAN MOORE : As I said, I took advice from the State Solicitor’s Office. As the member would know, advice provided on these matters by the State Solicitor’s Office is not provided in this place, and never has been, to my knowledge. Indeed, there have been many occasions on which ministers have advised the house that advice from the State Solicitor’s Office is not made available in the house, and that is the case now. However, I am telling the member now that the State Solicitor’s Office advice to me, via the Department of the Premier and Cabinet, was that I needed to withdraw from that superannuation fund, and I have. Let me say in conclusion that it seems to me that, in the minds of some people, the glass ceiling is still in place.
Hon NORMAN MOORE : I am telling the member what the State Solicitor’s Office advice was. Hon Ken Travers : Will you table it? The PRESIDENT : Order, members! Once again, a question was asked and an answer is being given, and we find that the member who asked the question is preventing the answer from being given. I think that is an inappropriate way to proceed. The minister. Hon NORMAN MOORE : As I said, I took advice from the State Solicitor’s Office. As the member would know, advice provided on these matters by the State Solicitor’s Office is not provided in this place, and never has been, to my knowledge. Indeed, there have been many occasions on which ministers have advised the house that advice from the State Solicitor’s Office is not made available in the house, and that is the case now. However, I am telling the member now that the State Solicitor’s Office advice to me, via the Department of the Premier and Cabinet, was that I needed to withdraw from that superannuation fund, and I have. Let me say in conclusion that it seems to me that, in the minds of some people, the glass ceiling is still in place.
Hon Ken Travers : Will you table it? The PRESIDENT : Order, members! Once again, a question was asked and an answer is being given, and we find that the member who asked the question is preventing the answer from being given. I think that is an inappropriate way to proceed. The minister. Hon NORMAN MOORE : As I said, I took advice from the State Solicitor’s Office. As the member would know, advice provided on these matters by the State Solicitor’s Office is not provided in this place, and never has been, to my knowledge. Indeed, there have been many occasions on which ministers have advised the house that advice from the State Solicitor’s Office is not made available in the house, and that is the case now. However, I am telling the member now that the State Solicitor’s Office advice to me, via the Department of the Premier and Cabinet, was that I needed to withdraw from that superannuation fund, and I have. Let me say in conclusion that it seems to me that, in the minds of some people, the glass ceiling is still in place.
The PRESIDENT : Order, members! Once again, a question was asked and an answer is being given, and we find that the member who asked the question is preventing the answer from being given. I think that is an inappropriate way to proceed. The minister. Hon NORMAN MOORE : As I said, I took advice from the State Solicitor’s Office. As the member would know, advice provided on these matters by the State Solicitor’s Office is not provided in this place, and never has been, to my knowledge. Indeed, there have been many occasions on which ministers have advised the house that advice from the State Solicitor’s Office is not made available in the house, and that is the case now. However, I am telling the member now that the State Solicitor’s Office advice to me, via the Department of the Premier and Cabinet, was that I needed to withdraw from that superannuation fund, and I have. Let me say in conclusion that it seems to me that, in the minds of some people, the glass ceiling is still in place.
Hon NORMAN MOORE : As I said, I took advice from the State Solicitor’s Office. As the member would know, advice provided on these matters by the State Solicitor’s Office is not provided in this place, and never has been, to my knowledge. Indeed, there have been many occasions on which ministers have advised the house that advice from the State Solicitor’s Office is not made available in the house, and that is the case now. However, I am telling the member now that the State Solicitor’s Office advice to me, via the Department of the Premier and Cabinet, was that I needed to withdraw from that superannuation fund, and I have. Let me say in conclusion that it seems to me that, in the minds of some people, the glass ceiling is still in place.

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