WA Parliament questions the Premier regarding the decommissioned HMAS Orion submarine, its potential use as a dive site, and associated costs and preparations. The government confirms in-principle agreement for gifting the submarine but formal deed is not finalised.

AnsweredQoN 397Legislative Council
Asked
26 November 2002
Portfolio
Leader of the House representing the Premier

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(1) Is the Premier aware that the decommissioned Oberon submarine, formerly known as HMAS Orion , has been occupying wharf space at HMAS Stirling for several years? (2) Can the Premier advise the date the submarine was gifted to the people of Western Australia? (3) Will the Premier confirm that the submarine is to be sunk as a dive site? (4) Does the Premier know what work has been done to date to prepare the submarine for sinking? (5) Can the Premier provide the preferred location, and the details for selecting that location? (6) When is it intended the vessel will be sunk or put to some other use? (7) What is it costing to keep the submarine alongside at HMAS Stirling ? Hon KIM CHANCE

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I thank Hon Barbara Scott for some notice of the question. (1) Yes, Defence has chosen to have the ex-HMAS Orion berthed at HMAS Stirling at Garden Island.  In the four years following the decommissioning of the Orion in 1996, the vessel was used for spares for the remaining operational Oberon class submarines.  The HMAS Otama operated until December 2000 and was moored alongside the Orion at HMAS Stirling until April 2002. (2) In-principle agreement to gift the ex-HMAS Orion to the State of Western Australia was given by the former Minister for Defence, Hon John Moore, on 28 September 1999.  However, the formal deed of gift has not been finalised between the Commonwealth and the Western Australian Government. (3) Negotiations have been progressed on the basis that the submarine will be suitable for a dive wreck. (4) Defence has stripped the Orion of useful spares and has also carried out some other work such as the removal of batteries for handover of the vessel.  However, the ex-HMAS Orion has been available for inspection only by the Western Australian Government while developing the concept for sinking as a dive wreck site.  Specific preparation as a dive wreck has not yet commenced. (5) Mark McGowan MLA, parliamentary secretary to the Premier, chairs the West Coast Dive Park committee, which is considering issues relating to the sinking of the ex-HMAS Orion . Hon Norman Moore interjected. Hon KIM CHANCE:  It is an excellent idea. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister is trying to complete his answer. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister will persist. Hon KIM CHANCE: (6) A date has not been established. (7) There is no cost to the Western Australian Government for the Orion being moored at HMAS Stirling .
(2) Can the Premier advise the date the submarine was gifted to the people of Western Australia? (3) Will the Premier confirm that the submarine is to be sunk as a dive site? (4) Does the Premier know what work has been done to date to prepare the submarine for sinking? (5) Can the Premier provide the preferred location, and the details for selecting that location? (6) When is it intended the vessel will be sunk or put to some other use? (7) What is it costing to keep the submarine alongside at HMAS Stirling ? Hon KIM CHANCE replied : I thank Hon Barbara Scott for some notice of the question. (1) Yes, Defence has chosen to have the ex-HMAS Orion berthed at HMAS Stirling at Garden Island.  In the four years following the decommissioning of the Orion in 1996, the vessel was used for spares for the remaining operational Oberon class submarines.  The HMAS Otama operated until December 2000 and was moored alongside the Orion at HMAS Stirling until April 2002. (2) In-principle agreement to gift the ex-HMAS Orion to the State of Western Australia was given by the former Minister for Defence, Hon John Moore, on 28 September 1999.  However, the formal deed of gift has not been finalised between the Commonwealth and the Western Australian Government. (3) Negotiations have been progressed on the basis that the submarine will be suitable for a dive wreck. (4) Defence has stripped the Orion of useful spares and has also carried out some other work such as the removal of batteries for handover of the vessel.  However, the ex-HMAS Orion has been available for inspection only by the Western Australian Government while developing the concept for sinking as a dive wreck site.  Specific preparation as a dive wreck has not yet commenced. (5) Mark McGowan MLA, parliamentary secretary to the Premier, chairs the West Coast Dive Park committee, which is considering issues relating to the sinking of the ex-HMAS Orion . Hon Norman Moore interjected. Hon KIM CHANCE:  It is an excellent idea. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister is trying to complete his answer. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister will persist. Hon KIM CHANCE: (6) A date has not been established. (7) There is no cost to the Western Australian Government for the Orion being moored at HMAS Stirling .
(3) Will the Premier confirm that the submarine is to be sunk as a dive site? (4) Does the Premier know what work has been done to date to prepare the submarine for sinking? (5) Can the Premier provide the preferred location, and the details for selecting that location? (6) When is it intended the vessel will be sunk or put to some other use? (7) What is it costing to keep the submarine alongside at HMAS Stirling ? Hon KIM CHANCE replied : I thank Hon Barbara Scott for some notice of the question. (1) Yes, Defence has chosen to have the ex-HMAS Orion berthed at HMAS Stirling at Garden Island.  In the four years following the decommissioning of the Orion in 1996, the vessel was used for spares for the remaining operational Oberon class submarines.  The HMAS Otama operated until December 2000 and was moored alongside the Orion at HMAS Stirling until April 2002. (2) In-principle agreement to gift the ex-HMAS Orion to the State of Western Australia was given by the former Minister for Defence, Hon John Moore, on 28 September 1999.  However, the formal deed of gift has not been finalised between the Commonwealth and the Western Australian Government. (3) Negotiations have been progressed on the basis that the submarine will be suitable for a dive wreck. (4) Defence has stripped the Orion of useful spares and has also carried out some other work such as the removal of batteries for handover of the vessel.  However, the ex-HMAS Orion has been available for inspection only by the Western Australian Government while developing the concept for sinking as a dive wreck site.  Specific preparation as a dive wreck has not yet commenced. (5) Mark McGowan MLA, parliamentary secretary to the Premier, chairs the West Coast Dive Park committee, which is considering issues relating to the sinking of the ex-HMAS Orion . Hon Norman Moore interjected. Hon KIM CHANCE:  It is an excellent idea. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister is trying to complete his answer. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister will persist. Hon KIM CHANCE: (6) A date has not been established. (7) There is no cost to the Western Australian Government for the Orion being moored at HMAS Stirling .
(4) Does the Premier know what work has been done to date to prepare the submarine for sinking? (5) Can the Premier provide the preferred location, and the details for selecting that location? (6) When is it intended the vessel will be sunk or put to some other use? (7) What is it costing to keep the submarine alongside at HMAS Stirling ? Hon KIM CHANCE replied : I thank Hon Barbara Scott for some notice of the question. (1) Yes, Defence has chosen to have the ex-HMAS Orion berthed at HMAS Stirling at Garden Island.  In the four years following the decommissioning of the Orion in 1996, the vessel was used for spares for the remaining operational Oberon class submarines.  The HMAS Otama operated until December 2000 and was moored alongside the Orion at HMAS Stirling until April 2002. (2) In-principle agreement to gift the ex-HMAS Orion to the State of Western Australia was given by the former Minister for Defence, Hon John Moore, on 28 September 1999.  However, the formal deed of gift has not been finalised between the Commonwealth and the Western Australian Government. (3) Negotiations have been progressed on the basis that the submarine will be suitable for a dive wreck. (4) Defence has stripped the Orion of useful spares and has also carried out some other work such as the removal of batteries for handover of the vessel.  However, the ex-HMAS Orion has been available for inspection only by the Western Australian Government while developing the concept for sinking as a dive wreck site.  Specific preparation as a dive wreck has not yet commenced. (5) Mark McGowan MLA, parliamentary secretary to the Premier, chairs the West Coast Dive Park committee, which is considering issues relating to the sinking of the ex-HMAS Orion . Hon Norman Moore interjected. Hon KIM CHANCE:  It is an excellent idea. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister is trying to complete his answer. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister will persist. Hon KIM CHANCE: (6) A date has not been established. (7) There is no cost to the Western Australian Government for the Orion being moored at HMAS Stirling .
(5) Can the Premier provide the preferred location, and the details for selecting that location? (6) When is it intended the vessel will be sunk or put to some other use? (7) What is it costing to keep the submarine alongside at HMAS Stirling ? Hon KIM CHANCE replied : I thank Hon Barbara Scott for some notice of the question. (1) Yes, Defence has chosen to have the ex-HMAS Orion berthed at HMAS Stirling at Garden Island.  In the four years following the decommissioning of the Orion in 1996, the vessel was used for spares for the remaining operational Oberon class submarines.  The HMAS Otama operated until December 2000 and was moored alongside the Orion at HMAS Stirling until April 2002. (2) In-principle agreement to gift the ex-HMAS Orion to the State of Western Australia was given by the former Minister for Defence, Hon John Moore, on 28 September 1999.  However, the formal deed of gift has not been finalised between the Commonwealth and the Western Australian Government. (3) Negotiations have been progressed on the basis that the submarine will be suitable for a dive wreck. (4) Defence has stripped the Orion of useful spares and has also carried out some other work such as the removal of batteries for handover of the vessel.  However, the ex-HMAS Orion has been available for inspection only by the Western Australian Government while developing the concept for sinking as a dive wreck site.  Specific preparation as a dive wreck has not yet commenced. (5) Mark McGowan MLA, parliamentary secretary to the Premier, chairs the West Coast Dive Park committee, which is considering issues relating to the sinking of the ex-HMAS Orion . Hon Norman Moore interjected. Hon KIM CHANCE:  It is an excellent idea. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister is trying to complete his answer. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister will persist. Hon KIM CHANCE: (6) A date has not been established. (7) There is no cost to the Western Australian Government for the Orion being moored at HMAS Stirling .
(6) When is it intended the vessel will be sunk or put to some other use? (7) What is it costing to keep the submarine alongside at HMAS Stirling ? Hon KIM CHANCE replied : I thank Hon Barbara Scott for some notice of the question. (1) Yes, Defence has chosen to have the ex-HMAS Orion berthed at HMAS Stirling at Garden Island.  In the four years following the decommissioning of the Orion in 1996, the vessel was used for spares for the remaining operational Oberon class submarines.  The HMAS Otama operated until December 2000 and was moored alongside the Orion at HMAS Stirling until April 2002. (2) In-principle agreement to gift the ex-HMAS Orion to the State of Western Australia was given by the former Minister for Defence, Hon John Moore, on 28 September 1999.  However, the formal deed of gift has not been finalised between the Commonwealth and the Western Australian Government. (3) Negotiations have been progressed on the basis that the submarine will be suitable for a dive wreck. (4) Defence has stripped the Orion of useful spares and has also carried out some other work such as the removal of batteries for handover of the vessel.  However, the ex-HMAS Orion has been available for inspection only by the Western Australian Government while developing the concept for sinking as a dive wreck site.  Specific preparation as a dive wreck has not yet commenced. (5) Mark McGowan MLA, parliamentary secretary to the Premier, chairs the West Coast Dive Park committee, which is considering issues relating to the sinking of the ex-HMAS Orion . Hon Norman Moore interjected. Hon KIM CHANCE:  It is an excellent idea. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister is trying to complete his answer. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister will persist. Hon KIM CHANCE: (6) A date has not been established. (7) There is no cost to the Western Australian Government for the Orion being moored at HMAS Stirling .
(7) What is it costing to keep the submarine alongside at HMAS Stirling ? Hon KIM CHANCE replied : I thank Hon Barbara Scott for some notice of the question. (1) Yes, Defence has chosen to have the ex-HMAS Orion berthed at HMAS Stirling at Garden Island.  In the four years following the decommissioning of the Orion in 1996, the vessel was used for spares for the remaining operational Oberon class submarines.  The HMAS Otama operated until December 2000 and was moored alongside the Orion at HMAS Stirling until April 2002. (2) In-principle agreement to gift the ex-HMAS Orion to the State of Western Australia was given by the former Minister for Defence, Hon John Moore, on 28 September 1999.  However, the formal deed of gift has not been finalised between the Commonwealth and the Western Australian Government. (3) Negotiations have been progressed on the basis that the submarine will be suitable for a dive wreck. (4) Defence has stripped the Orion of useful spares and has also carried out some other work such as the removal of batteries for handover of the vessel.  However, the ex-HMAS Orion has been available for inspection only by the Western Australian Government while developing the concept for sinking as a dive wreck site.  Specific preparation as a dive wreck has not yet commenced. (5) Mark McGowan MLA, parliamentary secretary to the Premier, chairs the West Coast Dive Park committee, which is considering issues relating to the sinking of the ex-HMAS Orion . Hon Norman Moore interjected. Hon KIM CHANCE:  It is an excellent idea. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister is trying to complete his answer. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister will persist. Hon KIM CHANCE: (6) A date has not been established. (7) There is no cost to the Western Australian Government for the Orion being moored at HMAS Stirling .
Hon KIM CHANCE replied : I thank Hon Barbara Scott for some notice of the question. (1) Yes, Defence has chosen to have the ex-HMAS Orion berthed at HMAS Stirling at Garden Island.  In the four years following the decommissioning of the Orion in 1996, the vessel was used for spares for the remaining operational Oberon class submarines.  The HMAS Otama operated until December 2000 and was moored alongside the Orion at HMAS Stirling until April 2002. (2) In-principle agreement to gift the ex-HMAS Orion to the State of Western Australia was given by the former Minister for Defence, Hon John Moore, on 28 September 1999.  However, the formal deed of gift has not been finalised between the Commonwealth and the Western Australian Government. (3) Negotiations have been progressed on the basis that the submarine will be suitable for a dive wreck. (4) Defence has stripped the Orion of useful spares and has also carried out some other work such as the removal of batteries for handover of the vessel.  However, the ex-HMAS Orion has been available for inspection only by the Western Australian Government while developing the concept for sinking as a dive wreck site.  Specific preparation as a dive wreck has not yet commenced. (5) Mark McGowan MLA, parliamentary secretary to the Premier, chairs the West Coast Dive Park committee, which is considering issues relating to the sinking of the ex-HMAS Orion . Hon Norman Moore interjected. Hon KIM CHANCE:  It is an excellent idea. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister is trying to complete his answer. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister will persist. Hon KIM CHANCE: (6) A date has not been established. (7) There is no cost to the Western Australian Government for the Orion being moored at HMAS Stirling .
I thank Hon Barbara Scott for some notice of the question. (1) Yes, Defence has chosen to have the ex-HMAS Orion berthed at HMAS Stirling at Garden Island.  In the four years following the decommissioning of the Orion in 1996, the vessel was used for spares for the remaining operational Oberon class submarines.  The HMAS Otama operated until December 2000 and was moored alongside the Orion at HMAS Stirling until April 2002. (2) In-principle agreement to gift the ex-HMAS Orion to the State of Western Australia was given by the former Minister for Defence, Hon John Moore, on 28 September 1999.  However, the formal deed of gift has not been finalised between the Commonwealth and the Western Australian Government. (3) Negotiations have been progressed on the basis that the submarine will be suitable for a dive wreck. (4) Defence has stripped the Orion of useful spares and has also carried out some other work such as the removal of batteries for handover of the vessel.  However, the ex-HMAS Orion has been available for inspection only by the Western Australian Government while developing the concept for sinking as a dive wreck site.  Specific preparation as a dive wreck has not yet commenced. (5) Mark McGowan MLA, parliamentary secretary to the Premier, chairs the West Coast Dive Park committee, which is considering issues relating to the sinking of the ex-HMAS Orion . Hon Norman Moore interjected. Hon KIM CHANCE:  It is an excellent idea. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister is trying to complete his answer. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister will persist. Hon KIM CHANCE: (6) A date has not been established. (7) There is no cost to the Western Australian Government for the Orion being moored at HMAS Stirling .
(1) Yes, Defence has chosen to have the ex-HMAS Orion berthed at HMAS Stirling at Garden Island.  In the four years following the decommissioning of the Orion in 1996, the vessel was used for spares for the remaining operational Oberon class submarines.  The HMAS Otama operated until December 2000 and was moored alongside the Orion at HMAS Stirling until April 2002. (2) In-principle agreement to gift the ex-HMAS Orion to the State of Western Australia was given by the former Minister for Defence, Hon John Moore, on 28 September 1999.  However, the formal deed of gift has not been finalised between the Commonwealth and the Western Australian Government. (3) Negotiations have been progressed on the basis that the submarine will be suitable for a dive wreck. (4) Defence has stripped the Orion of useful spares and has also carried out some other work such as the removal of batteries for handover of the vessel.  However, the ex-HMAS Orion has been available for inspection only by the Western Australian Government while developing the concept for sinking as a dive wreck site.  Specific preparation as a dive wreck has not yet commenced. (5) Mark McGowan MLA, parliamentary secretary to the Premier, chairs the West Coast Dive Park committee, which is considering issues relating to the sinking of the ex-HMAS Orion . Hon Norman Moore interjected. Hon KIM CHANCE:  It is an excellent idea. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister is trying to complete his answer. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister will persist. Hon KIM CHANCE: (6) A date has not been established. (7) There is no cost to the Western Australian Government for the Orion being moored at HMAS Stirling .
(2) In-principle agreement to gift the ex-HMAS Orion to the State of Western Australia was given by the former Minister for Defence, Hon John Moore, on 28 September 1999.  However, the formal deed of gift has not been finalised between the Commonwealth and the Western Australian Government. (3) Negotiations have been progressed on the basis that the submarine will be suitable for a dive wreck. (4) Defence has stripped the Orion of useful spares and has also carried out some other work such as the removal of batteries for handover of the vessel.  However, the ex-HMAS Orion has been available for inspection only by the Western Australian Government while developing the concept for sinking as a dive wreck site.  Specific preparation as a dive wreck has not yet commenced. (5) Mark McGowan MLA, parliamentary secretary to the Premier, chairs the West Coast Dive Park committee, which is considering issues relating to the sinking of the ex-HMAS Orion . Hon Norman Moore interjected. Hon KIM CHANCE:  It is an excellent idea. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister is trying to complete his answer. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister will persist. Hon KIM CHANCE: (6) A date has not been established. (7) There is no cost to the Western Australian Government for the Orion being moored at HMAS Stirling .
(3) Negotiations have been progressed on the basis that the submarine will be suitable for a dive wreck. (4) Defence has stripped the Orion of useful spares and has also carried out some other work such as the removal of batteries for handover of the vessel.  However, the ex-HMAS Orion has been available for inspection only by the Western Australian Government while developing the concept for sinking as a dive wreck site.  Specific preparation as a dive wreck has not yet commenced. (5) Mark McGowan MLA, parliamentary secretary to the Premier, chairs the West Coast Dive Park committee, which is considering issues relating to the sinking of the ex-HMAS Orion . Hon Norman Moore interjected. Hon KIM CHANCE:  It is an excellent idea. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister is trying to complete his answer. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister will persist. Hon KIM CHANCE: (6) A date has not been established. (7) There is no cost to the Western Australian Government for the Orion being moored at HMAS Stirling .
(4) Defence has stripped the Orion of useful spares and has also carried out some other work such as the removal of batteries for handover of the vessel.  However, the ex-HMAS Orion has been available for inspection only by the Western Australian Government while developing the concept for sinking as a dive wreck site.  Specific preparation as a dive wreck has not yet commenced. (5) Mark McGowan MLA, parliamentary secretary to the Premier, chairs the West Coast Dive Park committee, which is considering issues relating to the sinking of the ex-HMAS Orion . Hon Norman Moore interjected. Hon KIM CHANCE:  It is an excellent idea. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister is trying to complete his answer. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister will persist. Hon KIM CHANCE: (6) A date has not been established. (7) There is no cost to the Western Australian Government for the Orion being moored at HMAS Stirling .
(5) Mark McGowan MLA, parliamentary secretary to the Premier, chairs the West Coast Dive Park committee, which is considering issues relating to the sinking of the ex-HMAS Orion . Hon Norman Moore interjected. Hon KIM CHANCE:  It is an excellent idea. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister is trying to complete his answer. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister will persist. Hon KIM CHANCE: (6) A date has not been established. (7) There is no cost to the Western Australian Government for the Orion being moored at HMAS Stirling .
Hon Norman Moore interjected. Hon KIM CHANCE:  It is an excellent idea. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister is trying to complete his answer. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister will persist. Hon KIM CHANCE: (6) A date has not been established. (7) There is no cost to the Western Australian Government for the Orion being moored at HMAS Stirling .
Hon KIM CHANCE:  It is an excellent idea. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister is trying to complete his answer. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister will persist. Hon KIM CHANCE: (6) A date has not been established. (7) There is no cost to the Western Australian Government for the Orion being moored at HMAS Stirling .
Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister is trying to complete his answer. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister will persist. Hon KIM CHANCE: (6) A date has not been established. (7) There is no cost to the Western Australian Government for the Orion being moored at HMAS Stirling .
The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister is trying to complete his answer. Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister will persist. Hon KIM CHANCE: (6) A date has not been established. (7) There is no cost to the Western Australian Government for the Orion being moored at HMAS Stirling .
Several members interjected. The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister will persist. Hon KIM CHANCE: (6) A date has not been established. (7) There is no cost to the Western Australian Government for the Orion being moored at HMAS Stirling .
The PRESIDENT:  Order, members!  The minister will persist. Hon KIM CHANCE: (6) A date has not been established. (7) There is no cost to the Western Australian Government for the Orion being moored at HMAS Stirling .
Hon KIM CHANCE: (6) A date has not been established. (7) There is no cost to the Western Australian Government for the Orion being moored at HMAS Stirling .
(6) A date has not been established. (7) There is no cost to the Western Australian Government for the Orion being moored at HMAS Stirling .
(7) There is no cost to the Western Australian Government for the Orion being moored at HMAS Stirling .

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