❓ Mr. Cook questions the Health Minister on job guarantees for nurses, drawing a comparison to medical students. The Minister justifies the difference based on differing post-graduation training requirements, leading to further debate and a discussion about tabling documents.
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NURSES — JOB OFFERS
I have a supplementary question—this is the minister’s opportunity. Will the minister guarantee the jobs for those nurses, as he has done for medical students? If it is good enough for the doctors, why is it not good enough for the nurses? Dr K.D. HAMES
I have a supplementary question—this is the minister’s opportunity. Will the minister guarantee the jobs for those nurses, as he has done for medical students? If it is good enough for the doctors, why is it not good enough for the nurses? Dr K.D. HAMES
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The difference is that doctors, in order to go and work outside, have to do a year’s residency in hospital. Nurses do not, and once they have graduated, they can go and work immediately for the private sector, if they so choose. Mr R.H. Cook : So they are not as important? Dr K.D. HAMES : How does that say that? There are different requirements for the graduation process. Nurses get a lot of training through the system and they are eminently qualified to go immediately into the system, public or private, and work as nurses. Doctors need additional training. When doctors graduate, their training in the practice of delivering medicine is not adequate to allow them to go straight out and work as a country general practitioner or in private practice in the community. It is not adequate, and they need that additional year. In my view, they need to do what I did, which was about three and a half years of postgraduate training in the public hospital system. Tabling of Document Mr M. McGOWAN : The minister indicated he would table a document. Has the minister tabled the document he indicated he would? The SPEAKER : I have not heard that the minister would table the document. Dr K.D. HAMES : I do not believe I quoted from it. I gave numbers. I did not read from the document. I confirmed the numbers. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Members, I would like to hear from the minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I have a collection of documents and I would like to look through them to see whether it is inappropriate for me to table any of them, and then I will make the decision. I do not think I need to make the decision to table it now, given I did not read from the document. The SPEAKER : Perhaps, minister, before any decision is made, I need to see that document to determine what is official in that document and what should be tabled. Thank you, minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I am more than happy to do that, and at the same time we could check Hansard to see what I read from the document and what figures I used.
Dr K.D. HAMES replied: The difference is that doctors, in order to go and work outside, have to do a year’s residency in hospital. Nurses do not, and once they have graduated, they can go and work immediately for the private sector, if they so choose. Mr R.H. Cook : So they are not as important? Dr K.D. HAMES : How does that say that? There are different requirements for the graduation process. Nurses get a lot of training through the system and they are eminently qualified to go immediately into the system, public or private, and work as nurses. Doctors need additional training. When doctors graduate, their training in the practice of delivering medicine is not adequate to allow them to go straight out and work as a country general practitioner or in private practice in the community. It is not adequate, and they need that additional year. In my view, they need to do what I did, which was about three and a half years of postgraduate training in the public hospital system. Tabling of Document Mr M. McGOWAN : The minister indicated he would table a document. Has the minister tabled the document he indicated he would? The SPEAKER : I have not heard that the minister would table the document. Dr K.D. HAMES : I do not believe I quoted from it. I gave numbers. I did not read from the document. I confirmed the numbers. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Members, I would like to hear from the minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I have a collection of documents and I would like to look through them to see whether it is inappropriate for me to table any of them, and then I will make the decision. I do not think I need to make the decision to table it now, given I did not read from the document. The SPEAKER : Perhaps, minister, before any decision is made, I need to see that document to determine what is official in that document and what should be tabled. Thank you, minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I am more than happy to do that, and at the same time we could check Hansard to see what I read from the document and what figures I used.
The difference is that doctors, in order to go and work outside, have to do a year’s residency in hospital. Nurses do not, and once they have graduated, they can go and work immediately for the private sector, if they so choose. Mr R.H. Cook : So they are not as important? Dr K.D. HAMES : How does that say that? There are different requirements for the graduation process. Nurses get a lot of training through the system and they are eminently qualified to go immediately into the system, public or private, and work as nurses. Doctors need additional training. When doctors graduate, their training in the practice of delivering medicine is not adequate to allow them to go straight out and work as a country general practitioner or in private practice in the community. It is not adequate, and they need that additional year. In my view, they need to do what I did, which was about three and a half years of postgraduate training in the public hospital system. Tabling of Document Mr M. McGOWAN : The minister indicated he would table a document. Has the minister tabled the document he indicated he would? The SPEAKER : I have not heard that the minister would table the document. Dr K.D. HAMES : I do not believe I quoted from it. I gave numbers. I did not read from the document. I confirmed the numbers. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Members, I would like to hear from the minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I have a collection of documents and I would like to look through them to see whether it is inappropriate for me to table any of them, and then I will make the decision. I do not think I need to make the decision to table it now, given I did not read from the document. The SPEAKER : Perhaps, minister, before any decision is made, I need to see that document to determine what is official in that document and what should be tabled. Thank you, minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I am more than happy to do that, and at the same time we could check Hansard to see what I read from the document and what figures I used.
Mr R.H. Cook : So they are not as important? Dr K.D. HAMES : How does that say that? There are different requirements for the graduation process. Nurses get a lot of training through the system and they are eminently qualified to go immediately into the system, public or private, and work as nurses. Doctors need additional training. When doctors graduate, their training in the practice of delivering medicine is not adequate to allow them to go straight out and work as a country general practitioner or in private practice in the community. It is not adequate, and they need that additional year. In my view, they need to do what I did, which was about three and a half years of postgraduate training in the public hospital system. Tabling of Document Mr M. McGOWAN : The minister indicated he would table a document. Has the minister tabled the document he indicated he would? The SPEAKER : I have not heard that the minister would table the document. Dr K.D. HAMES : I do not believe I quoted from it. I gave numbers. I did not read from the document. I confirmed the numbers. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Members, I would like to hear from the minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I have a collection of documents and I would like to look through them to see whether it is inappropriate for me to table any of them, and then I will make the decision. I do not think I need to make the decision to table it now, given I did not read from the document. The SPEAKER : Perhaps, minister, before any decision is made, I need to see that document to determine what is official in that document and what should be tabled. Thank you, minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I am more than happy to do that, and at the same time we could check Hansard to see what I read from the document and what figures I used.
Dr K.D. HAMES : How does that say that? There are different requirements for the graduation process. Nurses get a lot of training through the system and they are eminently qualified to go immediately into the system, public or private, and work as nurses. Doctors need additional training. When doctors graduate, their training in the practice of delivering medicine is not adequate to allow them to go straight out and work as a country general practitioner or in private practice in the community. It is not adequate, and they need that additional year. In my view, they need to do what I did, which was about three and a half years of postgraduate training in the public hospital system. Tabling of Document Mr M. McGOWAN : The minister indicated he would table a document. Has the minister tabled the document he indicated he would? The SPEAKER : I have not heard that the minister would table the document. Dr K.D. HAMES : I do not believe I quoted from it. I gave numbers. I did not read from the document. I confirmed the numbers. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Members, I would like to hear from the minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I have a collection of documents and I would like to look through them to see whether it is inappropriate for me to table any of them, and then I will make the decision. I do not think I need to make the decision to table it now, given I did not read from the document. The SPEAKER : Perhaps, minister, before any decision is made, I need to see that document to determine what is official in that document and what should be tabled. Thank you, minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I am more than happy to do that, and at the same time we could check Hansard to see what I read from the document and what figures I used.
The SPEAKER : I have not heard that the minister would table the document. Dr K.D. HAMES : I do not believe I quoted from it. I gave numbers. I did not read from the document. I confirmed the numbers. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Members, I would like to hear from the minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I have a collection of documents and I would like to look through them to see whether it is inappropriate for me to table any of them, and then I will make the decision. I do not think I need to make the decision to table it now, given I did not read from the document. The SPEAKER : Perhaps, minister, before any decision is made, I need to see that document to determine what is official in that document and what should be tabled. Thank you, minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I am more than happy to do that, and at the same time we could check Hansard to see what I read from the document and what figures I used.
Dr K.D. HAMES : I do not believe I quoted from it. I gave numbers. I did not read from the document. I confirmed the numbers. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Members, I would like to hear from the minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I have a collection of documents and I would like to look through them to see whether it is inappropriate for me to table any of them, and then I will make the decision. I do not think I need to make the decision to table it now, given I did not read from the document. The SPEAKER : Perhaps, minister, before any decision is made, I need to see that document to determine what is official in that document and what should be tabled. Thank you, minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I am more than happy to do that, and at the same time we could check Hansard to see what I read from the document and what figures I used.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Members, I would like to hear from the minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I have a collection of documents and I would like to look through them to see whether it is inappropriate for me to table any of them, and then I will make the decision. I do not think I need to make the decision to table it now, given I did not read from the document. The SPEAKER : Perhaps, minister, before any decision is made, I need to see that document to determine what is official in that document and what should be tabled. Thank you, minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I am more than happy to do that, and at the same time we could check Hansard to see what I read from the document and what figures I used.
The SPEAKER : Order! Members, I would like to hear from the minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I have a collection of documents and I would like to look through them to see whether it is inappropriate for me to table any of them, and then I will make the decision. I do not think I need to make the decision to table it now, given I did not read from the document. The SPEAKER : Perhaps, minister, before any decision is made, I need to see that document to determine what is official in that document and what should be tabled. Thank you, minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I am more than happy to do that, and at the same time we could check Hansard to see what I read from the document and what figures I used.
Dr K.D. HAMES : I have a collection of documents and I would like to look through them to see whether it is inappropriate for me to table any of them, and then I will make the decision. I do not think I need to make the decision to table it now, given I did not read from the document. The SPEAKER : Perhaps, minister, before any decision is made, I need to see that document to determine what is official in that document and what should be tabled. Thank you, minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I am more than happy to do that, and at the same time we could check Hansard to see what I read from the document and what figures I used.
The SPEAKER : Perhaps, minister, before any decision is made, I need to see that document to determine what is official in that document and what should be tabled. Thank you, minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I am more than happy to do that, and at the same time we could check Hansard to see what I read from the document and what figures I used.
Dr K.D. HAMES : I am more than happy to do that, and at the same time we could check Hansard to see what I read from the document and what figures I used.
Dr K.D. HAMES replied: The difference is that doctors, in order to go and work outside, have to do a year’s residency in hospital. Nurses do not, and once they have graduated, they can go and work immediately for the private sector, if they so choose. Mr R.H. Cook : So they are not as important? Dr K.D. HAMES : How does that say that? There are different requirements for the graduation process. Nurses get a lot of training through the system and they are eminently qualified to go immediately into the system, public or private, and work as nurses. Doctors need additional training. When doctors graduate, their training in the practice of delivering medicine is not adequate to allow them to go straight out and work as a country general practitioner or in private practice in the community. It is not adequate, and they need that additional year. In my view, they need to do what I did, which was about three and a half years of postgraduate training in the public hospital system. Tabling of Document Mr M. McGOWAN : The minister indicated he would table a document. Has the minister tabled the document he indicated he would? The SPEAKER : I have not heard that the minister would table the document. Dr K.D. HAMES : I do not believe I quoted from it. I gave numbers. I did not read from the document. I confirmed the numbers. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Members, I would like to hear from the minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I have a collection of documents and I would like to look through them to see whether it is inappropriate for me to table any of them, and then I will make the decision. I do not think I need to make the decision to table it now, given I did not read from the document. The SPEAKER : Perhaps, minister, before any decision is made, I need to see that document to determine what is official in that document and what should be tabled. Thank you, minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I am more than happy to do that, and at the same time we could check Hansard to see what I read from the document and what figures I used.
The difference is that doctors, in order to go and work outside, have to do a year’s residency in hospital. Nurses do not, and once they have graduated, they can go and work immediately for the private sector, if they so choose. Mr R.H. Cook : So they are not as important? Dr K.D. HAMES : How does that say that? There are different requirements for the graduation process. Nurses get a lot of training through the system and they are eminently qualified to go immediately into the system, public or private, and work as nurses. Doctors need additional training. When doctors graduate, their training in the practice of delivering medicine is not adequate to allow them to go straight out and work as a country general practitioner or in private practice in the community. It is not adequate, and they need that additional year. In my view, they need to do what I did, which was about three and a half years of postgraduate training in the public hospital system. Tabling of Document Mr M. McGOWAN : The minister indicated he would table a document. Has the minister tabled the document he indicated he would? The SPEAKER : I have not heard that the minister would table the document. Dr K.D. HAMES : I do not believe I quoted from it. I gave numbers. I did not read from the document. I confirmed the numbers. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Members, I would like to hear from the minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I have a collection of documents and I would like to look through them to see whether it is inappropriate for me to table any of them, and then I will make the decision. I do not think I need to make the decision to table it now, given I did not read from the document. The SPEAKER : Perhaps, minister, before any decision is made, I need to see that document to determine what is official in that document and what should be tabled. Thank you, minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I am more than happy to do that, and at the same time we could check Hansard to see what I read from the document and what figures I used.
Mr R.H. Cook : So they are not as important? Dr K.D. HAMES : How does that say that? There are different requirements for the graduation process. Nurses get a lot of training through the system and they are eminently qualified to go immediately into the system, public or private, and work as nurses. Doctors need additional training. When doctors graduate, their training in the practice of delivering medicine is not adequate to allow them to go straight out and work as a country general practitioner or in private practice in the community. It is not adequate, and they need that additional year. In my view, they need to do what I did, which was about three and a half years of postgraduate training in the public hospital system. Tabling of Document Mr M. McGOWAN : The minister indicated he would table a document. Has the minister tabled the document he indicated he would? The SPEAKER : I have not heard that the minister would table the document. Dr K.D. HAMES : I do not believe I quoted from it. I gave numbers. I did not read from the document. I confirmed the numbers. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Members, I would like to hear from the minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I have a collection of documents and I would like to look through them to see whether it is inappropriate for me to table any of them, and then I will make the decision. I do not think I need to make the decision to table it now, given I did not read from the document. The SPEAKER : Perhaps, minister, before any decision is made, I need to see that document to determine what is official in that document and what should be tabled. Thank you, minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I am more than happy to do that, and at the same time we could check Hansard to see what I read from the document and what figures I used.
Dr K.D. HAMES : How does that say that? There are different requirements for the graduation process. Nurses get a lot of training through the system and they are eminently qualified to go immediately into the system, public or private, and work as nurses. Doctors need additional training. When doctors graduate, their training in the practice of delivering medicine is not adequate to allow them to go straight out and work as a country general practitioner or in private practice in the community. It is not adequate, and they need that additional year. In my view, they need to do what I did, which was about three and a half years of postgraduate training in the public hospital system. Tabling of Document Mr M. McGOWAN : The minister indicated he would table a document. Has the minister tabled the document he indicated he would? The SPEAKER : I have not heard that the minister would table the document. Dr K.D. HAMES : I do not believe I quoted from it. I gave numbers. I did not read from the document. I confirmed the numbers. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Members, I would like to hear from the minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I have a collection of documents and I would like to look through them to see whether it is inappropriate for me to table any of them, and then I will make the decision. I do not think I need to make the decision to table it now, given I did not read from the document. The SPEAKER : Perhaps, minister, before any decision is made, I need to see that document to determine what is official in that document and what should be tabled. Thank you, minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I am more than happy to do that, and at the same time we could check Hansard to see what I read from the document and what figures I used.
The SPEAKER : I have not heard that the minister would table the document. Dr K.D. HAMES : I do not believe I quoted from it. I gave numbers. I did not read from the document. I confirmed the numbers. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Members, I would like to hear from the minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I have a collection of documents and I would like to look through them to see whether it is inappropriate for me to table any of them, and then I will make the decision. I do not think I need to make the decision to table it now, given I did not read from the document. The SPEAKER : Perhaps, minister, before any decision is made, I need to see that document to determine what is official in that document and what should be tabled. Thank you, minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I am more than happy to do that, and at the same time we could check Hansard to see what I read from the document and what figures I used.
Dr K.D. HAMES : I do not believe I quoted from it. I gave numbers. I did not read from the document. I confirmed the numbers. Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Members, I would like to hear from the minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I have a collection of documents and I would like to look through them to see whether it is inappropriate for me to table any of them, and then I will make the decision. I do not think I need to make the decision to table it now, given I did not read from the document. The SPEAKER : Perhaps, minister, before any decision is made, I need to see that document to determine what is official in that document and what should be tabled. Thank you, minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I am more than happy to do that, and at the same time we could check Hansard to see what I read from the document and what figures I used.
Several members interjected. The SPEAKER : Order! Members, I would like to hear from the minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I have a collection of documents and I would like to look through them to see whether it is inappropriate for me to table any of them, and then I will make the decision. I do not think I need to make the decision to table it now, given I did not read from the document. The SPEAKER : Perhaps, minister, before any decision is made, I need to see that document to determine what is official in that document and what should be tabled. Thank you, minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I am more than happy to do that, and at the same time we could check Hansard to see what I read from the document and what figures I used.
The SPEAKER : Order! Members, I would like to hear from the minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I have a collection of documents and I would like to look through them to see whether it is inappropriate for me to table any of them, and then I will make the decision. I do not think I need to make the decision to table it now, given I did not read from the document. The SPEAKER : Perhaps, minister, before any decision is made, I need to see that document to determine what is official in that document and what should be tabled. Thank you, minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I am more than happy to do that, and at the same time we could check Hansard to see what I read from the document and what figures I used.
Dr K.D. HAMES : I have a collection of documents and I would like to look through them to see whether it is inappropriate for me to table any of them, and then I will make the decision. I do not think I need to make the decision to table it now, given I did not read from the document. The SPEAKER : Perhaps, minister, before any decision is made, I need to see that document to determine what is official in that document and what should be tabled. Thank you, minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I am more than happy to do that, and at the same time we could check Hansard to see what I read from the document and what figures I used.
The SPEAKER : Perhaps, minister, before any decision is made, I need to see that document to determine what is official in that document and what should be tabled. Thank you, minister. Dr K.D. HAMES : I am more than happy to do that, and at the same time we could check Hansard to see what I read from the document and what figures I used.
Dr K.D. HAMES : I am more than happy to do that, and at the same time we could check Hansard to see what I read from the document and what figures I used.
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